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moyes_2013 said:
Paul Ince was England captain and he's black.
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Don't think he was a permanent captain though from memory which is what Sol is getting at. Sol was captain 3 times himself, which is 3 times more than 99.9% of the country, white , black or otherwise.

I think the argument holds hot water like a chocolate tea pot when you consider Shearer and Becks were captains during his main time in the England squad, two proper legends.
 
The fact another Englishman at his own club was captain before him shows he shouldn't have captained England.

Truth is there are/have been far better leaders than Sol Campbell, despite how good a defender he was. I think to cry racism in this case is just so odious and ironically doing **** all to help racism, he is a complete moron.
 
chelsea - over 100 years of history said:
Based on what stats exactly? A lot more white managers in this country, currently and historically so hardly going to be a fair like for like study.

One of the few teams in the relegation dog fight not to sack their manager is Norwich. Wonder what Barnes' view is on that?

If you don't think that saying he would have stayed in jobs (he was performing badly in) for longer if he was white is not outlandish, you're on a different planet son. Even if true, it could never be proven and just makes him sound silly.

I think he has some good opinions on the race issue, and people like him are needed in the game to speak up given their experience. Just think he goes too far sometimes which then negates the impact of the more sensible things he says.
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John Barnes was my absolute hero until May 1987 after which, as far as I am concerned, he might as well have been dead. However, i do think your final paragraph is spot on. He does do a good job in articulating the issues facing black players and managers and usually gives a very balanced view though as you say now and again he does go too far.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
It is actually good English. Stupider = comparative adjective of stupid.

http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-synonyms/stupid - Collins dictionary definition
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/stupid - Oxford dictionary definition
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But in the sentence he used it it is not used as a comparative adjective. You boys never learn. You jump in blindly trying to save a fellow red and all you actually do is make yourself look more stupid....or should that be stupider.
 
You've picked the wrong one to argue with on use of the English language I'm afraid. Just using 'stupider' is a comparative in itself - it replaces 'more stupid' which is equal in meaning. DR has used the word correctly <ok>
 
johnsonsbaby said:
You've picked the wrong one to argue with on use of the English language I'm afraid. Just using 'stupider' is a comparative in itself - it replaces 'more stupid' which is equal in meaning. DR has used the word correctly <ok>
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Given the sentence in question was;

If you think thats acceptable you're even stupider than what your posts appear
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...and you're a English language expert, I'm surprised that you're choosing to defend it.....
 
DR has used the word correctly. I stand by that. I've actually just emailed a former uni colleague who agrees with me <ok>
 
johnsonsbaby said:
DR has used the word correctly. I stand by that. I've actually just emailed a former uni colleague who agrees with me <ok>
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Do English language experts now feel that it is acceptable to use nouns as verbs? <I can't do the "wink emoticon but rest assured if i could then it would have been included smiley>
 
johnsonsbaby said:
DR has used the word correctly. I stand by that. I've actually just emailed a former uni colleague who agrees with me <ok>
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It doesn't alter the fact that the sentence was a complete dogs breakfast and if he used the word in the correct context it was patently a fluke.....
 
johnsonsbaby said:
You've picked the wrong one to argue with on use of the English language I'm afraid. Just using 'stupider' is a comparative in itself - it replaces 'more stupid' which is equal in meaning. DR has used the word correctly <ok>
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Clearly not because you are wrong as 3 of us have now pointed out.
 
Dan Starkey said:
Do English language experts now feel that it is acceptable to use nouns as verbs? <I can't do the "wink emoticon but rest assured if i could then it would have been included smiley>
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Indeed they do as in 'hoovered' and more recently 'googled' - it is very much acceptable <ok>
 
Dan Starkey said:
Do English language experts now feel that it is acceptable to use nouns as verbs? <I can't do the "wink emoticon but rest assured if i could then it would have been included smiley>
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It's not just about 'English language experts' finding it acceptable. Following extensive lexicographical research, the OED adds new words to it's body such as 'nouns as verbs words' hoover, google, medal, podium. etc.etc. 'Tweet' is now officially both a verb and a noun! The entry into the dictionary is what makes it an 'acceptable' word, since individuals whether 'language experts' or not, can't make that decision.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
It's not just about 'English language experts' finding it acceptable. Following extensive lexicographical research, the OED adds new words to it's body such as 'nouns as verbs words' hoover, google, medal, podium. etc.etc. 'Tweet' is now officially both a verb and a noun! The entry into the dictionary is what makes it an 'acceptable' word, since individuals whether 'language experts' or not, can't make that decision.
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I was only taking the piss - wish I hadn't bothered now <laugh> The verbing of nouns has always been a hobby horse of mine so thought I'd be mischievous.
 
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