Off Topic So, what now?

[BCFCRob]

You did not answer the questions. Again. Another again to go with your previous again's and again's.

Read the thread. The behaviour of Yvette Cooper in a staunchly pro leave constituency is relevant to the topic of democracy.

What question did I fail to answer? When you mentioned Cooper it read to me as if you were referencing something that I'd say regarding her, so probably my fault on that one. I'd say it's a wider discussion to be had regarding MP's. They're elected to represent their constituency, so what should happen when her views and the views of the constituency collide? Do you go with what they want, or do you go with what you believe to be the best choice for them? It's a tricky one but not something relevant to AggregateIQ, and it's not something I've challenged, so I have no idea why you've brought it up?

Yes the Leave campaign lied and cheated. And was fined for their breaking of rules. The referendum was not illegal. Something is only illegal once it has been tested by law. This was tested. Leave lost ...

Fair point. But multiple legally proven breaches of electoral law (which have actually been tested) would give it an incredibly good chance of being declared void, as multiple lawyers have backed up across various (admittedly remain) news outlets.

 

[Red Alert]

My point was RA is that RP said he was frustrated with Remainers and he could see "nutters" taking it to whole different level and I was just pointing out the feelings are equally high on both sides. And yes I will consider a businesses human and ethical trading record when deciding who to use

you consider any business that supports Brexit unethical?

ROB

I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job … Wow.

Yeh Wow, what job do you have.
You're always on here, all day long.

My guess - you work in Brussels.

My guess is clairvoyant. sees the future so can see every detail of the EU in future. rest of us cant match that. thick as mince.

 

[johngalleyfan2]

So you agree with me that the referendum was illegal?

absolutely not, had there been any thing worthy of the justice system to act on then it would have done it … they have over the years done so on some pretty shallow misdemeanours …

I guess your reply to this will be … " but of course the prosecutors were all leavers" …

 

[johngalleyfan2]

When you mentioned Cooper it read to me as if you were referencing something that I'd say regarding her, so probably my fault on that one.

any one for jellied eels?

 

[raver]

you consider any business that supports Brexit unethical?

no you asked me " whats the point of that? do you do similar for other businesses based on human rights or not paying tax??? "

And i replied to that with I do. I would however judge any business that supported Brexit misguided

 

[AshtonRed]

The point is whatever the rights and wrongs of each campaign the result stands , therefore if democracy is to be respected we have to leave, anyone who suggests otherwise is not respecting democracy , there can be no argument to this , so whilst I understand how an individual MP may struggle to weigh up their own individual constituency result, versus the overall will of the electorate, on this issue they are obliged to act on the will of the OVERALL electorate. Leave

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

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I can not stand this woman. With a passion I feel this way.

 

[AshtonRed]

I can not stand this woman. With a passion I feel this way.

I dislike hers , and others like hers view that she knows best, she doesn’t know best , do as the electorate instructed ffs

 

[wizered]

I understand now because it has all been explained to people ,it is absolutely correct for the REMAIN MP's to ignore the majority vote of the referendum because we voted LEAVE, we didn't vote to be poorer, have one eye or leg, to be 3 years older, believe that the earth is round and it goes around the sun, they tell us we voted leave because we are all thick and didn't understand the consequences or reasons we voted LEAVE.

They deny us of our vote, they betray their manifesto promises, they change the rules, they lie and change their votes for personal aims but that's all right, that's okay, they are REMAINERS and our betters and know what's best for us.

We are thick,we lie, we are racist and right wing, we are old, ignorant and don't understand about business, economics but that's okay, we have got the REMAINERS to look after our affairs, after all they know best, how stupid we have been, I am so sorry to have been so wrong, I understand now......

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

I see Corbyn has come out saying the PM will not budge from her red lines about compromising. He will only accept her deal if it meant we were to stay in the customs union and single market. But that is not Brexit though.

The £9 million leaflet said 'if we leave the EU it will mean leaving the customs union and single market.'
Every politician who was interviewed before the referendum said 'if we leave the EU it will mean leaving the customs union and single market.'
Every politician who were on the TV debates before the referendum said ' if we leave the EU it will mean leaving the customs union and single market.'

No right minded person can say people who voted leave did not know it meant leaving the customs union and single market. It pisses me off that parliament thinks this and want to ignore what was on offer on the referendum.

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Also was pisses me off is the line that teenagers have come out with. I was too young to vote in the referendum. Its not fair blah blah blah.

Well I was too young (wasn't even born) to vote in the referendum when we ended up joining the EU. But have I or any others who were too young to vote back then complain?

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

It gets worse. Parliament has just in the last few minutes voted for an amendment in the Brexit bill. Previously it was just the PM who could seek extensions on article 50 with the EU. Now parliament have managed to win a vote which amends the bill so any MP can seek extensions to article 50 with the EU and the length of time to that extension too.

Corrupt <unts the lot of them.

 

[James Jackson]

If you're looking for something to take your mind off it for a while, there are some good insights for the Bristol City v West Brom game tomorrow: https://www.betseven.net/football-betting-tips/english-championship/bristol-city-vs-west-brom/

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Brexit will not happen. Its so obvious.

Simple facts....

• Parliament couldn't decide if they wanted to leave the EU or not. They voted for a referendum to let the people decide.

• The majority of the UK voted leave.

• A general election results shows that 80% of voters voted for parties who had on their manifestos that their party would honour the referendum result.

• Parliament voted to start the article 50 process.

• The PM said over 100 times since the referendum result that "no deal is better than a bad deal."

• The party politics have royally f**ked up the chance for Brexit to happen.

• PM successfully united the country after the 52%-48% split of the referendum by getting a deal with the EU that no Leaver or Remainer wants.

• Therefore she has a bad deal. But she is now 100% against a no deal that she previously said would be the default position.

• One extension period granted but a short period due to the European elections coming up which we don't want to be part of.

• Now we are supposed to be leaving this Friday. PM said we won't leave without a deal. Parliament has already voted her deal down 3 times.

• The EU don't want us to go without a deal so obviously they will grant a second extension. It will be a long one too meaning will be taking part in European elections.

• Long extension as this will give time for either another referendum which remain will win or time for a general election where again the winning party will revoke article 50.

So again I say to you all, Brexit will not happen. Therefore, I will never vote again, ever. No Point at all. And to top it off after all of this, the SNP will still seek independence from the UK and probably win it meaning they will have no part in the UK's politics meaning all their votes against the PM's deal to leave the EU were the deciding votes to stop Brexit and they will end up not being part the UK anyway. Just a complete farce.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Brexit will not happen. Its so obvious.

Simple facts....

• Parliament couldn't decide if they wanted to leave the EU or not. They voted for a referendum to let the people decide.

• The majority of the UK voted leave.

• A general election results shows that 80% of voters voted for parties who had on their manifestos that their party would honour the referendum result.

• Parliament voted to start the article 50 process.

• The PM said over 100 times since the referendum result that "no deal is better than a bad deal."

• The party politics have royally f**ked up the chance for Brexit to happen.

• PM successfully united the country after the 52%-48% split of the referendum by getting a deal with the EU that no Leaver or Remainer wants.

• Therefore she has a bad deal. But she is now 100% against a no deal that she previously said would be the default position.

• One extension period granted but a short period due to the European elections coming up which we don't want to be part of.

• Now we are supposed to be leaving this Friday. PM said we won't leave without a deal. Parliament has already voted her deal down 3 times.

• The EU don't want us to go without a deal so obviously they will grant a second extension. It will be a long one too meaning will be taking part in European elections.

• Long extension as this will give time for either another referendum which remain will win or time for a general election where again the winning party will revoke article 50.

So again I say to you all, Brexit will not happen. Therefore, I will never vote again, ever. No Point at all. And to top it off after all of this, the SNP will still seek independence from the UK and probably win it meaning they will have no part in the UK's politics meaning all their votes against the PM's deal to leave the EU were the deciding votes to stop Brexit and they will end up not being part the UK anyway. Just a complete farce.

I will be honest, if Brexit doesn't happen, which was the majority of the referendum, I will never vote again........I imagine the Remainers will be happy with that conclusion!!

 

[Cliftonville]

What question did I fail to answer? When you mentioned Cooper it read to me as if you were referencing something that I'd say regarding her, so probably my fault on that one. I'd say it's a wider discussion to be had regarding MP's. They're elected to represent their constituency, so what should happen when her views and the views of the constituency collide? Do you go with what they want, or do you go with what you believe to be the best choice for them? It's a tricky one but not something relevant to AggregateIQ, and it's not something I've challenged, so I have no idea why you've brought it up?
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You failed to answer the posed questions. You frequently post that people were misled by the Leave campaign, lied to. Yvette Coopers behaviour is relevant to those questions, to the topic and your posts.

They're elected to represent their constituency, so what should happen when her views and the views of the constituency collide? Break your own question down. Ask yourself some questions regarding Yvette Cooper. Look at what she said to those who vote in her constituency and look at her actions. They are not the same thing. Liar? Stinking arrogance? Stinking contempt for voters?

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

I will be honest, if Brexit doesn't happen, which was the majority of the referendum, I will never vote again........I imagine the Remainers will be happy with that conclusion!!

As a Remainer you might think that I would be delighted - but although I would get what I wanted I fear that politics has been destroyed. It’s almost inevitable now whatever happens that a sizeable proportion of the electorate will be mightily pi553d off. Remain through the back door was never what I wanted.
Also, I don’t think this will ever go away - there would be another referendum in a few years.
The damage is done.

 

[BCFCRob]

absolutely not, had there been any thing worthy of the justice system to act on then it would have done it … they have over the years done so on some pretty shallow misdemeanours …

I guess your reply to this will be … " but of course the prosecutors were all leavers" …

Actually no. The only reason they couldn't do anything was because it was advisory and therefore not legally binding. Otherwise some would be in (and still may yet go to) prison.

I see Corbyn has come out saying the PM will not budge from her red lines about compromising. He will only accept her deal if it meant we were to stay in the customs union and single market. But that is not Brexit though.

The £9 million leaflet said 'if we leave the EU it will mean leaving the customs union and single market.'
Every politician who was interviewed before the referendum said 'if we leave the EU it will mean leaving the customs union and single market.'
Every politician who were on the TV debates before the referendum said ' if we leave the EU it will mean leaving the customs union and single market.'

No right minded person can say people who voted leave did not know it meant leaving the customs union and single market. It pisses me off that parliament thinks this and want to ignore what was on offer on the referendum.

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Excellent thread above which conflicts with your view here. Click '22.04 - 3 April' and it will take you to it.

On the other hand, totally agree with your teenager point.

 

[Red Robin]

As a Remainer you might think that I would be delighted - but although I would get what I wanted I fear that politics has been destroyed. It’s almost inevitable now whatever happens that a sizeable proportion of the electorate will be mightily pi553d off. Remain through the back door was never what I wanted.
Also, I don’t think this will ever go away - there would be another referendum in a few years.
The damage is done.

I voted Tory for 35 years,i own a business employ 10 well paid people and i will never vote for them again in my lifetime.
All my staff voted out, as did my very close friends and family all will never vote for this corrupt mob in Government again.

They will lose millions off voters if the Brexit corruption goes ahead.

 

[BCFCRob]

As a Remainer you might think that I would be delighted - but although I would get what I wanted I fear that politics has been destroyed. It’s almost inevitable now whatever happens that a sizeable proportion of the electorate will be mightily pi553d off. Remain through the back door was never what I wanted.
Also, I don’t think this will ever go away - there would be another referendum in a few years.
The damage is done.

You're a lot more sensible and a lot more amicable than me on this topic so it's no surprise, but you've nailed it for me. If we end up revoking by default or something like that, then it would be just as bad for me as a no deal that I don't want. Faith in politicians has been rock bottom for years but somehow we've gone below that. I want to remain, but if we were to do so in the way you've described, then we've essentially broken politics for generations.