Off Topic So, what now?

[BCFCRob]

Nothing wrong with certain drugs within reason .

Macron making noises trying to get the Spanish to play hardball at their meeting this week.
Just bluster bluster bluster to frighten our useless 'remaining' MPs to agree a long delay.
Macron needs to deflect his own worsening position with the French people and ridiculous to believe the Spanish want us to stop supporting their tourist economy. They only want Gibraltar - About the only bargaing point they care about, they have no chance.
Remainers will believe anything - chickens all of them.

I see the vote that was won by one to put MPs in charge relied on the Labour Jail Bird's vote.
The Tories are inept and the Labour Party - a complete shambles and now in charge of the remainers vote.
At least Rob's happy.
And I haven't even mentioned Mrs Abbott.

Definitely not happy mate. If there's one thing the Tories have managed, it is to at least piss off both sides in equal measure.

 

[Redprintt]

I read the other day a view that the current denial of our democracy is giving fuel to far right extremists.
It seems Brexit gets blamed for everything.
However, I will admit to feeling more angry with remainers than I ever thought possible.
All I'm saying is if a 'normal' guy like me feels like biting a nail in half then I can see nutters taking it to a far different level.

 

[raver]

I read the other day a view that the current denial of our democracy is giving fuel to far right extremists.
It seems Brexit gets blamed for everything.
However, I will admit to feeling more angry with remainers than I ever thought possible.
All I'm saying is if a 'normal' guy like me feels like biting a nail in half then I can see nutters taking it to a far different level.

I am the same RP, but the other way. I rarely get involved in the debate on here because I like you all, as fellow city fans and contributors to this page. But I have to really try and control my temper at leavers ( not just on here ) because they do not see things the same way as me. Worryingly what ever the outcome is it will leave fissures in society for years. A non confrontational step for me is to stop using any business that supports Brexit or the owner does.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

But the FACT is, if this country doesn't leave the European Union, then this country is no longer democratic.....In a sentence, there would no longer be any point in ever voting again.....I think I'm right in saying for the referendum, a record amount of people in this country voted either to stay or to leave....the result should be honored, otherwise, what is the point of democracy?

 

[Redprintt]

I am the same RP, but the other way. I rarely get involved in the debate on here because I like you all, as fellow city fans and contributors to this page. But I have to really try and control my temper at leavers ( not just on here ) because they do not see things the same way as me. Worryingly what ever the outcome is it will leave fissures in society for years. A non confrontational step for me is to stop using any business that supports Brexit or the owner does.

Hang on Raver, it's not about seeing things the same as me.
Of course we all think different on a whole range of things.

But we're talking about a democratic vote.
You either believe in democracy or you don't.

 

[Red Alert]

I am the same RP, but the other way. I rarely get involved in the debate on here because I like you all, as fellow city fans and contributors to this page. But I have to really try and control my temper at leavers ( not just on here ) because they do not see things the same way as me. Worryingly what ever the outcome is it will leave fissures in society for years. A non confrontational step for me is to stop using any business that supports Brexit or the owner does
.

A non confrontational step for me is to stop using any business that supports Brexit or the owner does.

??? whats the point of that? do you do similar for other businesses based on human rights or not paying tax???

 

[raver]

A non confrontational step for me is to stop using any business that supports Brexit or the owner does.

??? whats the point of that? do you do similar for other businesses based on human rights or not paying tax???

My point was RA is that RP said he was frustrated with Remainers and he could see "nutters" taking it to whole different level and I was just pointing out the feelings are equally high on both sides. And yes I will consider a businesses human and ethical trading record when deciding who to use

 

[johngalleyfan2]

But the FACT is, if this country doesn't leave the European Union, then this country is no longer democratic.....In a sentence, there would no longer be any point in ever voting again.....I think I'm right in saying for the referendum, a record amount of people in this country voted either to stay or to leave....the result should be honored, otherwise, what is the point of democracy?

Remainers and he could see "nutters" taking it to whole different level

an article recently stated that there will almost always be around 10% of any losing vote that will be very very sore losers [ society in general has about the same % ] who hate losing a friendly game of cards domino's darts pool you name it they lose well piisssssssssssed ff.. most of those remainers the 10% ers [ nutters?] went on the march … it looked meaningful because the leavers didn't rebel and swell the numbers or neither did most of those that lost gracefully turn up.. so it looked impressive in pictures and slo mo video shots ! it was less than 2.2% of the total who voted

 

[BCFCRob]

But the FACT is, if this country doesn't leave the European Union, then this country is no longer democratic.....In a sentence, there would no longer be any point in ever voting again.....I think I'm right in saying for the referendum, a record amount of people in this country voted either to stay or to leave....the result should be honored, otherwise, what is the point of democracy?

That's just not true though is it. We've already been told that if the referendum was binding, it would have been declared void because of all the illegal bits and pieces that went on. So it's not a failure of democracy at all. It wouldn't have legally stood.

I strongly suspect you don't really understand what went on with AggregateIQ, the dark ads and the like. I don't mean that in a patronising way, 95% of people won't know what went on and I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job. Otherwise it would go way over my head. But if you did know, you'd understand that the cheating of leave went far beyond a little bit of overspending and a few lies.

 

[Cliftonville]

That's just not true though is it. We've already been told that if the referendum was binding, it would have been declared void because of all the illegal bits and pieces that went on. So it's not a failure of democracy at all. It wouldn't have legally stood.

I strongly suspect you don't really understand what went on with AggregateIQ, the dark ads and the like. I don't mean that in a patronising way, 95% of people won't know what went on and I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job. Otherwise it would go way over my head. But if you did know, you'd understand that the cheating of leave went far beyond a little bit of overspending and a few lies.

That is arrogant and rude (again). You are being patronising.

95% of people … Prove it? Its the voters are fick argument. The best arguments, policies, choices win despite the imperfections that is democratic.

I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job … Wow. You in this thread could not understand a simple point about nationalisation.

But if you did know, you'd understand that the cheating of leave went far beyond a little bit of overspending and a few lies .. Pot and kettle.

Maybe you should answer the point about why vote? What is the point of voting for an individual like Yvette Cooper? Has she not lied? Is that not a failing of democracy? How have Yvette Coopers and political parties manifesto pledges upheld democracy?

I strongly suspect YOU do not understand what went on.

 

[BCFCRob]

That is arrogant and rude (again). You are being patronising.

95% of people … Prove it? Its the voters are fick argument. The best arguments, policies, choices win despite the imperfections that is democratic.

I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job … Wow. You in this thread could not understand a simple point about nationalisation.

But if you did know, you'd understand that the cheating of leave went far beyond a little bit of overspending and a few lies .. Pot and kettle.

Maybe you should answer the point about why vote? What is the point of voting for an individual like Yvette Cooper? Has she not lied? Is that not a failing of democracy? How have Yvette Coopers and political parties manifesto pledges upheld democracy?

I strongly suspect YOU do not understand what went on.

It's not at all! I fully concede I know little about nationalisation, and people in this thread know far more about other subject matters that they work with and the like. But targeted advertising and illegal collection of data is not the sort of thing that the average person would know inside out. Why would they? I myself wouldn't have a ****ing clue if I didn't work with it. It's not patronising to understand that people who don't work in a very specific field are probably not going to be experts in it ffs.

I didn't even mention Yvette Cooper so **** knows what you're on about now.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

That's just not true though is it. We've already been told that if the referendum was binding, it would have been declared void because of all the illegal bits and pieces that went on. So it's not a failure of democracy at all. It wouldn't have legally stood.

I strongly suspect you don't really understand what went on with AggregateIQ, the dark ads and the like. I don't mean that in a patronising way, 95% of people won't know what went on and I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job. Otherwise it would go way over my head. But if you did know, you'd understand that the cheating of leave went far beyond a little bit of overspending and a few lies.

I will be honest with you...I took NO notice of the publicity of it all...I weighed up what I wanted and made my decision.......I believe so did many others.....
Do you believe everything you read and are told? Blimey, the BS that's around when there's a general election, do you believe them all?
Sorry, that's a typical comment from someone sour of the result...

 

[BCFCRob]

I will be honest with you...I took NO notice of the publicity of it all...I weighed up what I wanted and made my decision.......I believe so did many others.....
Do you believe everything you read and are told? Blimey, the BS that's around when there's a general election, do you believe them all?
Sorry, that's a typical comment from someone sour of the result...

I don't mate, particularly from the tabloids. But I absolutely believe that what happened with AggregateIQ did happen, and I've not really heard anyone suggest otherwise.

Apologies if I did come across as patronising there also, but like I said and like you've admitted yourself, most people probably aren't aware of it either.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I don't mate, particularly from the tabloids. But I absolutely believe that what happened with AggregateIQ did happen, and I've not really heard anyone suggest otherwise.

Apologies if I did come across as patronising there also, but like I said and like you've admitted yourself, most people probably aren't aware of it either.

What about, maybe, just maybe, that the majority of the Voters of leave, have had enough of a bunch of UN-elected bunch of bureaucrats deciding our future?
Maybe, they decided that they see billions paid into a club and handed out helping to bail out countries unable to manage their finances but see very little benefit in our own country? Plus I remember seeing plenty of lies why we should remain...
I personally think you are underestimating the intelligence of the people in this country......sorry mate, it's sour grapes.
Just a question, would you be defending the lies by the remain campaign had we decided to stay?? My guess for you would be NO

 

[johngalleyfan2]

That's just not true though is it. We've already been told that if the referendum was binding, it would have been declared void because of all the illegal bits and pieces that went on. So it's not a failure of democracy at all. It wouldn't have legally stood

COLLANDER HOLES PICK put in correct order … again and again for the sake of a reply you pick on any old garbage from the past and spout it out as if it was important … the legal system in this country is such that no stone goes unturned in trying to get things right it was looked into and HEY guess what it was those remainers again … you know the ones that cant get peace from our democratic country that shout the loudest … why are they heard? ………..because every law abiding democratic individual does what is the right thing …. ignore them ……..

 

[johngalleyfan2]

I didn't even mention Yvette Cooper so **** knows what you're on about now.

exactly you don't know the link between what you say or print and a classic example one one that will possibly [ that's my thought] be looking to be a pm in the not to distant future? and who was plastered all over a local /national newspaper with her broken promises which translated into laymans terms .. is she cheated the voters/ public!!!!
As a sales training manager amongst my near 60 years of working life ADVERT TARGETTING WAS A LITTLE OF WHAT I HAD TO DO /UNDERSTAND … EG it is simple really no point trying to sell a fleet of A300'S to a lost tribe in the depths of the Amazon jungle …. better to try BA

 

[Redprintt]

ROB

I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job … Wow.

Yeh Wow, what job do you have.
You're always on here, all day long.

My guess - you work in Brussels.

 

[BCFCRob]

What about, maybe, just maybe, that the majority of the Voters of leave, have had enough of a bunch of UN-elected bunch of bureaucrats deciding our future?
Maybe, they decided that they see billions paid into a club and handed out helping to bail out countries unable to manage their finances but see very little benefit in our own country? Plus I remember seeing plenty of lies why we should remain...
I personally think you are underestimating the intelligence of the people in this country......sorry mate, it's sour grapes.
Just a question, would you be defending the lies by the remain campaign had we decided to stay?? My guess for you would be NO

Leave lied, remain lied (to a much lesser extent mind you). My point was that it wasn't that which they were found guilty for. So in this discussion it's irrelevant. The illegal use of data and dark ads IS relevant, so all of the above, while it may be true, isn't the point. The referendum was illegal for different reasons from 'lying'.

COLLANDER HOLES PICK put in correct order … again and again for the sake of a reply you pick on any old garbage from the past and spout it out as if it was important … the legal system in this country is such that no stone goes unturned in trying to get things right it was looked into and HEY guess what it was those remainers again … you know the ones that cant get peace from our democratic country that shout the loudest … why are they heard? ………..because every law abiding democratic individual does what is the right thing …. ignore them ……..

I'm trying to understand this but it's very difficult. You say 'the legal system in this country is such that no stone goes unturned'. So you agree with me that the referendum was illegal?

 

[BCFCRob]

ROB

I only really understand it because it's partly what I do for a job … Wow.

Yeh Wow, what job do you have.
You're always on here, all day long.

My guess - you work in Brussels.

I work (partly) as a web developer and as part of that we deliver targeted advertising to pools of people based on their likelihood to respond to that advertising. Before I started I had absolutely no idea how any of it worked. If you worked as a lawyer I'd understand that you know more about law than me. What is wrong with that Redprintt?

 

[Cliftonville]

It's not at all! I fully concede I know little about nationalisation, and people in this thread know far more about other subject matters that they work with and the like. But targeted advertising and illegal collection of data is not the sort of thing that the average person would know inside out. Why would they? I myself wouldn't have a ****ing clue if I didn't work with it. It's not patronising to understand that people who don't work in a very specific field are probably not going to be experts in it ffs.

I didn't even mention Yvette Cooper so **** knows what you're on about now.

You did not answer the questions. Again. Another again to go with your previous again's and again's.

Read the thread. The behaviour of Yvette Cooper in a staunchly pro leave constituency is relevant to the topic of democracy.

Leave lied, remain lied (to a much lesser extent mind you). My point was that it wasn't that which they were found guilty for. So in this discussion it's irrelevant. The illegal use of data and dark ads IS relevant, so all of the above, while it may be true, isn't the point. The referendum was illegal for different reasons from 'lying'.


I'm trying to understand this but it's very difficult. You say 'the legal system in this country is such that no stone goes unturned'. So you agree with me that the referendum was illegal?

Yes the Leave campaign lied and cheated. And was fined for their breaking of rules. The referendum was not illegal. Something is only illegal once it has been tested by law. This was tested. Leave lost ...