So sorry

[Chazz Rheinhold]

I expected CTWD to say they thought the fans affected (including E4 and E5) should have been consulted before the decision was made.

I expected CTWD to say something about the short notice and to try and make arrangements for fans to find seats in the North Stand, the East Stand or even the West Stand.

I want CTWD to become a successful supporters trust that speaks up for fans. The allocation of E1 to E3 left a group of fans unhappy, something a campaigning supporters trust should be interested in.

The timing wasn't brilliant and I accept that there was a certain amount of tiredness after the season we had, but you cannot always choose your battles.

Someone may be inclined to say but it wasn't a battle, it's a good idea. I'm sure they won't because, in my view, a supporters trust should have a place for all supporters, even if they are a minority. Trying to make suitable arrangements for those affected does not mean you have to oppose the decision but ensure that, as far as possible supporters are given an "acceptable" second best.

I feel this discussion is more about scoring points against DMD then about looking at the issues, deciding whether mistakes were made, and if so, making sure they don't happen again.

The fans of this club need a strong voice and CTWD can become that voice. I feel they missed an opportunity by keeping silent..

Christ climb out of his arse. Nobodies scoring points against him,every ****ers just laughing at him and scratching their head.

 

[rovertiger]

[video=youtube_share;K2QAMqTgPKI]http://youtu.be/K2QAMqTgPKI[/video]

 

[DMD]

Christ climb out of his arse. Nobodies scoring points against him,every ****ers just laughing at him and scratching their head.

You reckon?

Have you actually read the guff that started the crap?

Have another read through before posting and then explain how suggesting smoothing the transition is wrong, or why asking for clarification on the state of the fans group is problematic, given that the answer is I was right, and they were in deed resting.

Once again, you've picked the wrong issue to have your little dig.

 

[Amin Arrears]

You reckon?

Have you actually read the guff that started the crap?

Have another read through before posting and then explain how suggesting smoothing the transition is wrong, or why asking for clarification on the state of the fans group is problematic, given that the answer is I was right, and they were in deed resting.

Once again, you've picked the wrong issue to have your little dig.

What?

Everything in that post is garbage. You're wrong about everything again as usual.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I expected CTWD to say they thought the fans affected (including E4 and E5) should have been consulted before the decision was made.

I expected CTWD to say something about the short notice and to try and make arrangements for fans to find seats in the North Stand, the East Stand or even the West Stand.

I want CTWD to become a successful supporters trust that speaks up for fans. The allocation of E1 to E3 left a group of fans unhappy, something a campaigning supporters trust should be interested in.

The timing wasn't brilliant and I accept that there was a certain amount of tiredness after the season we had, but you cannot always choose your battles.

Someone may be inclined to say but it wasn't a battle, it's a good idea. I'm sure they won't because, in my view, a supporters trust should have a place for all supporters, even if they are a minority. Trying to make suitable arrangements for those affected does not mean you have to oppose the decision but ensure that, as far as possible supporters are given an "acceptable" second best.

I feel this discussion is more about scoring points against DMD then about looking at the issues, deciding whether mistakes were made, and if so, making sure they don't happen again.

The fans of this club need a strong voice and CTWD can become that voice. I feel they missed an opportunity by keeping silent..

CTWD will say that the fans should be consulted about all the things that directly affect them, being forced to move seat would obviously qualify, but it's a future aim, there's nothing we can do about what's already passed. I appreciate that some think we should have acted on other issues earlier, but we wanted the support of our members before doing so and only now we have that mandate are we addressing those issues.

Out of interest, you were a committee member and you still have access to the City Till We Die closed forum, why did you keep silent?

 

[DMD]

What?

Everything in that post is garbage. You're wrong about everything again as usual.

I feel reassured when certain people reply as they do. Interesting how they avoid awkward issues like a relevant point or supporting facts.

 

[DMD]

CTWD will say that the fans should be consulted about all the things that directly affect them, being forced to move seat would obviously qualify, but it's a future aim, there's nothing we can do about what's already passed. I appreciate that some think we should have acted on other issues earlier, but we wanted the support of our members before doing so and only now we have that mandate are we addressing those issues.

Out of interest, you were a committee member and you still have access to the City Till We Die closed forum, why did you keep silent?

Recognising where mistakes were made could be useful and perhaps turn a negative to a positive.

How have you determined that you now have that mandate from members?

 

[originallambrettaman]

HUMBERSIDE POLICE STATEMENT AHEAD OF THURSDAY'S HULL CITY V LOKEREN FIXTURE.

The majority of Hull City supporters who visited Lokeren had a fantastic time and were well behaved.

We are aware that the event was spoiled for some by incidents both before and after the match. These incidents involved a small minority of risk supporters from both Sporting Lokeren and Hull City.　We’re sure all those fortunate to be able to travel to Lokeren to support Hull City will agree this was not representative of the majority of people of Lokeren, who gave Hull fans an extremely warm welcome.

Superintendent Tracy Bradley, would like to appeal to fans to make this an enjoyable experience for all those attending.

"Humberside Police is working in partnership with the club to make this occasion as enjoyable as possible. We sincerely hope that we do not encounter any disorder, but would like to reassure fans that we will be prepared should any individuals try to spoil the day for the majority of football lovers who are there to watch their teams.　Humberside Police has increased the level of resources policing the event accordingly.

"Although the intention is to join in the celebratory atmosphere, we will deal with any offences committed by either Hull City or Sporting Lokeren fans proportionately and without discrimination."

http://www.humberside.police.uk/new...head-of-thursdays-hull-city-v-lokeren-fixture

 

[DMD]

HUMBERSIDE POLICE STATEMENT AHEAD OF THURSDAY'S HULL CITY V LOKEREN FIXTURE.

The majority of Hull City supporters who visited Lokeren had a fantastic time and were well behaved.

We are aware that the event was spoiled for some by incidents both before and after the match. These incidents involved a small minority of risk supporters from both Sporting Lokeren and Hull City.　We’re sure all those fortunate to be able to travel to Lokeren to support Hull City will agree this was not representative of the majority of people of Lokeren, who gave Hull fans an extremely warm welcome.

Superintendent Tracy Bradley, would like to appeal to fans to make this an enjoyable experience for all those attending.

"Humberside Police is working in partnership with the club to make this occasion as enjoyable as possible. We sincerely hope that we do not encounter any disorder, but would like to reassure fans that we will be prepared should any individuals try to spoil the day for the majority of football lovers who are there to watch their teams.　Humberside Police has increased the level of resources policing the event accordingly.

"Although the intention is to join in the celebratory atmosphere, we will deal with any offences committed by either Hull City or Sporting Lokeren fans proportionately and without discrimination."

http://www.humberside.police.uk/new...head-of-thursdays-hull-city-v-lokeren-fixture

Pfft.

 

[Mr. Coat]

...These incidents involved a small minority of risk supporters from both Sporting Lokeren and Hull City...

Were they 100 risk?

 

[Obadiah]

CTWD will say that the fans should be consulted about all the things that directly affect them, being forced to move seat would obviously qualify, but it's a future aim, there's nothing we can do about what's already passed. I appreciate that some think we should have acted on other issues earlier, but we wanted the support of our members before doing so and only now we have that mandate are we addressing those issues.

Out of interest, you were a committee member and you still have access to the City Till We Die closed forum, why did you keep silent?

I didn't stand for the new Committee, as you know, and don't think I should be looking at the closed board. So I haven't.

 

[PLT]

They keep saying before and after the game. I didn't see any problems before the game even though almost everyone was in that square and walked to the stadium in one group. Did anyone who was there see anything to suggest there was any trouble before the game?

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

They keep saying before and after the game. I didn't see any problems before the game even though almost everyone was in that square and walked to the stadium in one group. Did anyone who was there see anything to suggest there was any trouble before the game?

Peter saxton said summat about City fans before but never elaborated. He's the only one I've seen.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I didn't stand for the new Committee, as you know, and don't think I should be looking at the closed board. So I haven't.

I wasn't taking a pop, I just wondered why you hadn't brought it up with anyone at CTWD when you obviously know half of them personally.

The group is still up and is occasionally updated with anything specifically name change related if you're interested, there's a new closed group for the new committee.

 

[originallambrettaman]

They keep saying before and after the game. I didn't see any problems before the game even though almost everyone was in that square and walked to the stadium in one group. Did anyone who was there see anything to suggest there was any trouble before the game?

We got showered with bottles and glasses on the way to the ground.

 

[originallambrettaman]

How have you determined that you now have that mandate from members?

We asked our members if they wanted us to move from a campaign group to a supporters trust who would deal with all fan issues, as you're well aware.

 

[Obadiah]

I wasn't taking a pop, I just wondered why you hadn't brought it up with anyone at CTWD when you obviously know half of them personally.

The group is still up and is occasionally updated with anything specifically name change related if you're interested, there's a new closed group for the new committee.

I didn't think you where having a pop. Its a fair question.

I brought it up on here at the time. I haven't seen anyone since coming off the committee to talk to. I've tried to fight the closure of my office and lost and now have to sort out my own future.

I just think DMD is getting a rough ride for making sensible suggestions. We are at a turning point where CTWD becomes something a lot broader with more responsibility and I want it to succeed. We can't unbreak eggs but we can look at what happened and learn from it.

I don't see anything wrong in CTWD supporting the idea, if that's what they decided, but ensuring those who don't are looked after by the club as far as possible. Some of those supporters don't feel represented by any fans group, I feel that is an opportunity lost, an opportunity for CTWD to show it was something more than the campaign to save our name.

 

[Fez]

I don't think it's me with the issues here.

It's hardly likely to be the OSC as this clearly isn't what they're for, and the others have merged, so there should't be any confusion as to who is meant.

I have no personal issues with anyone on here. I don't know OLM so couldn't have any with him, although from his responses, he seems to have some with me, but they're his issues. I'm more interested in these mistakes being learned from and not repeated.

What I expected, or rather hoped, was that a fans collective could approach the club to assist with the transition. As it was, a lot of club time was taken up dealing with several individual groups over the same issues. A simple point of contact could have lifted that burden, so the issues predicted and now arising could have been mitigated for prior to the turnstiles opening.

I see that as positive, but it seems others were determined that we'd need to struggle to get there.

The commitment from the fans group would have been minimal as people were willing to help each other. It needed help with central co-ordination, that's about all.

I've no idea why that simple way of helping a situation seems to create the reaction it has. I see nothing but positives from it.

Why don't you address the folk you have an issue with? Seriously, Dutch, why did you suddenly believe that CTWD had any form of influence with the club, as I thought they were the fan-group pariahs?

I didn't think you where having a pop. Its a fair question.

I brought it up on here at the time. I haven't seen anyone since coming off the committee to talk to. I've tried to fight the closure of my office and lost and now have to sort out my own future.

I just think DMD is getting a rough ride for making sensible suggestions. We are at a turning point where CTWD becomes something a lot broader with more responsibility and I want it to succeed. We can't unbreak eggs but we can look at what happened and learn from it.

I don't see anything wrong in CTWD supporting the idea, if that's what they decided, but ensuring those who don't are looked after by the club as far as possible. Some of those supporters don't feel represented by any fans group, I feel that is an opportunity lost, an opportunity for CTWD to show it was something more than the campaign to save our name.

Obadiah, are you saying that CTWD actively, as a group, supported the seat move? I was under the impression that individuals, who had previously attended other forums in an independent manner, had not later commented on their awareness that something might or might not take place. If you are saying the knowledge of the seat-move was deeply understood by the CTWD committee (You?) and kept quiet then I hope you will share the detail.

Perhaps the structured changes to CTWD, both committee and constitution, will meet your aspirations for deeper fan support. Rome wasn't built in a day and some football club owners can be mischievous, to say the least. Like I have said earlier, divide and conquer is a proven strategy; I think you are all better than he thinks and need to take a deep breath, stop the bickering g and look at filling the gaps he loves to exploit.

 

[DMD]

We asked our members if they wanted us to move from a campaign group to a supporters trust who would deal with all fan issues, as you're well aware.

I'm aware of that, but that's not the question asked.

You said you wouldn't get involved in the stand evictions as you didn't know where the group was headed. There's been no approach to members since then that I'm aware of, but you NOW say you have a mandate to move forward. So I asked how that mandate has come about.

 

[Obadiah]

Obadiah, are you saying that CTWD actively, as a group, supported the seat move? I was under the impression that individuals, who had previously attended other forums in an independent manner, had not later commented on their awareness that something might or might not take place. If you are saying the knowledge of the seat-move was deeply understood by the CTWD committee (You?) and kept quiet then I hope you will share the detail.

Perhaps the structured changes to CTWD, both committee and constitution, will meet your aspirations for deeper fan support. Rome wasn't built in a day and some football club owners can be mischievous, to say the least. Like I have said earlier, divide and conquer is a proven strategy; I think you are all better than he thinks and need to take a deep breath, stop the bickering g and look at filling the gaps he loves to exploit.

No I'm not saying that because I don't know. What I'm saying is if they did support the move they should try and look after those that didn't.

I'm saying CTWD could have said there should have been consultation with those involved and tried to get the club to work with them to mitigate the effects of the move for those that didn't want to be part of the North Stand kop or remain in E4 or E5. Which is what DMD has been saying.

I don't think there is any conspiracy, just a failure, judging by this board, to understand how deeply some fans feel about it. Yes the move from a campaign group to a representative fan's group will result in some mistakes, but we need to keep them to a minimum. We have had a major change without any fan consultation, that is the beginning, the middle and the end for me. I expect a fan's group to point that out. It didn't happen, but its how we react to that. The treatment of DMD suggests that what I see isn't seen by many other people on this board.

It comes down to this a fans' group that doesn't listen to all sections of our support is not going to be successful in the long run. The tactics of divide and conquer will be used time and time again. I would like the CTWD to sit back and think about what DMD has said and make sure it doesn't end up in the same place again. Hypothetically that could mean saying we agree with the move, disagree with the lack of consultation, but fans who want to remain in the East Stand, we'll see if that is possible and offer to help sort it out.

Too many people seem to react to DMD without taking the time to read and think about what he wrote. It boils down to fans who are going to be moved should be asked for their opinion and if the move happens then an effort should be made to find those that don't want to move a suitable alternative to what's on offer.