Sessegnon

yogi2409 said:
Hmmmmm a thread about how is Sess doing (the night after he has received widespread bad press/damning reviews) claiming to not know how he is doing, sounds a touch like a hint of a wind up but i digress.
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I didn't read any damning reviews until well after I made this thread this morning. As far as I'm aware it's only today where people have started commenting that he was poor.

Cestriamackem said:
Chaps. In what way is Ben Arfa a creative powerhouse exactly? Remind of again how many EPL games if has actually played for your lot?
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5.

Cabaye has played 6 and he's ****ing awesome, so I don't see your point.

Whilst it isn't 100% proven of course, I've seen enough of Ben Arfa to know that he can, and is intended to be, the creative playmaker in our side, and boy I'm excited about that. Even in his 20 minutes against Blackburn he made some very selfless passes to set up a few goalscoring chances.

Mind you, I think he's been overshadowed by Cabaye lately. I was only expecting us to have one real creative playmaker in our side in HBA, but now it seems like we have two.

When he has put in a full season of good creative powerhouse performances, I'll listen. Until that time, giveowwa with the bull ****e eh?
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If it needs a whole season then I presume that you're currently ruling Sessegnon out of being any good? As well as plenty of your other new signings? I didn't think so.

As I said, of course I don't know for sure yet. Just very confident, that's all.
 
Another snidey dig from Chapparse.

Sessegnon was poor last night played out of position, just in case you don't remember he was the lad made Tiote and Barton look like over rated muppets. <ok>
Admittedly one of the few Sunderland players that turned up mind.

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Chappaz said:
I didn't read any damning reviews until well after I made this thread this morning. As far as I'm aware it's only today where people have started commenting that he was poor.


Well if you didnt read any damning reviews and ur not attempting to wind anyone up then why did u state "this isnt a dig or whatever?" Why would anyone take it as a dig if u were simply enquiring about how one of our players was doing? Seems a bit weird.
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Appearances 15, goals 3, assists 2. They don't strike me as stats of a player "who has only had one bad game since he joined the club." Could be put down to being out of position mind..
 
MackemsRule said:
Another snidey dig from Chapparse.

Sessegnon was poor last night played out of position, just in case you don't remember he was the lad made Tiote and Barton look like over rated muppets. <ok>
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No one makes Tiote look human, never mind an over rated muppet.
 
MackemsRule said:
Another snidey dig from Chapparse.

Sessegnon was poor last night played out of position, just in case you don't remember he was the lad made Tiote and Barton look like over rated muppets. <ok>
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Sessegnon was that good you still lost 1-0 <doh>

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cuteybuns said:
The lad's played one really bad game since April. He's admittedly not as good as I think he can be because he's being played out of position. We had the same crack with Muntari last season - he did play CM for Inter, sure, but he was also dropped there. When he played on the LW for Ghana against England, we saw him sparkle. For Muntari at CM last year, read Sess at striker this year. Get the kid out on the wing and let's see him sparkle. He's very fast, very clever and we should be playing to his strengths.
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WHAT? did you see the Chelsea game? he was EVEN ****ING WORSE THAN HE WAS LAST NIGHT. He was so bad against Chelsea my eyes almost burst.
 
Chappaz said:
Playing Sessegnon as a striker is such a waste it's unreal. I'd be fuming if Pardew played HBA right up-front, because while he has a lethal shooting foot on him at times, his real strength is his creative playmaker passing, his agility and his dribbling. That sort of stuff is wasted in anywhere other than the number 10 role.
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Spot on Chappaz.

He's not performing, but he said HIMSELF 'i am not a striker'.

He was superb against Stoke mind, and you lads saw in the derby what he's capable at when running at people at pace.

Best player we've had for many a year, being wasted and having his confidence destroyed by inept management.
 
Bruceys Beak said:
Spot on Chappaz.

He's not performing, but he said HIMSELF 'i am not a striker'.

He was superb against Stoke mind, and you lads saw in the derby what he's capable at when running at people at pace.

Best player we've had for many a year, being wasted and having his confidence destroyed by inept management.
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You really believe that?

What is it about him that has convinced you he's THAT good?

Is it his awful technique when striking a ball? Is it the horrible struck bobbly passes he gives to team mates? Is it that he can't see a pass unless it's right under his nose?

Bent? Gyan? Bendtner? Welbeck? Brown? O'Shea? And that's just the obvious one.

He was terrific against Stoke, no doubt about that, so how do we excuse Chelsea and Norwich? Is the poor little baby sad because his friend Gyan left him all alone?
 
Keane prods the giant said:
You really believe that?

What is it about him that has convinced you he's THAT good?

Is it his awful technique when striking a ball? Is it the horrible struck bobbly passes he gives to team mates? Is it that he can't see a pass unless it's right under his nose?

Bent? Gyan? Bendtner? Welbeck? Brown? O'Shea? And that's just the obvious one.

He was terrific against Stoke, no doubt about that, so how do we excuse Chelsea and Norwich? Is the poor little baby sad because his friend Gyan left him all alone?
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He can run at pace and is fearless with the ball.

He has natural balance and shape.

He CAN finish, as demonstrated by 3 in 4 back end of last season and a succession of confidently taken pre-season goals.

The players you list are unquestionably better in there 'specialist area', Sess is being hampered by being played in an unfamiliar and unsuitable role, IMO.
 
Bruceys Beak said:
He can run at pace and is fearless with the ball.

He has natural balance and shape.

He CAN finish, as demonstrated by 3 in 4 back end of last season and a succession of confidently taken pre-season goals.

The players you list are unquestionably better in there 'specialist area', Sess is being hampered by being played in an unfamiliar and unsuitable role, IMO.
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I'd actually wrote in my pervious post that Sessegnon is wonderfully balanced player who can go past players easily, but deleted it because i can't give the guy any credit at the minute.

I think some people need to open their eyes and stop making excuses for him. People say he should be played on the left, but did anyone see how bad he was on the left against Chelsea? He is ideally suited to playing in the free role behind the striker, nobody can look at his abilities and deny that? That was his role against Stoke and in that game he was terrific. His body language is terrible and his effort yesterday was non existant. He moved over to the right at the end of the Chelsea game (or was it the Swansea game?) and picked up the ball in the ideal position to put in a cross with all the time and space he could want, he put just the most horribly struck cross in you can imagine. The ball came almost instantly back to him and he put in an identical cross, it was absolutely woeful, mate. So what is his position? Picking up the ball in advanced positions in time and space, that's what he wants to be doing. He was given that chance yesterday, just like the Stoke game, and failed miserably each and every time. That was not poor management. It was either a lack of ability or he just didn't give a ****. His movement is poor, never seems to come looking for the ball to make things happen. Never plays any good passes. You say he can finish? Then how comes he isn't thriving in this advanced role he's playing? He's mishit almost every shot and pass he's taken this season. Because someone has gone through a purple patch scoring a few goals, does that meen he can finish? There's plently of players worse than Sessegnon when on similar goal scoring runs. I'd say it would be better to look at said players technique to decide whether they're a good finisher.
 
Keane prods the giant said:
I'd actually wrote in my pervious post that Sessegnon is wonderfully balanced player who can go past players easily, but deleted it because i can't give the guy any credit at the minute.

I think some people need to open their eyes and stop making excuses for him. People say he should be played on the left, but did anyone see how bad he was on the left against Chelsea? He is ideally suited to playing in the free role behind the striker, nobody can look at his abilities and deny that? That was his role against Stoke and in that game he was terrific. His body language is terrible and his effort yesterday was non existant. He moved over to the right at the end of the Chelsea game (or was it the Swansea game?) and picked up the ball in the ideal position to put in a cross with all the time and space he could want, he put just the most horribly struck cross in you can imagine. The ball came almost instantly back to him and he put in an identical cross, it was absolutely woeful, mate. So what is his position? Picking up the ball in advanced positions in time and space, that's what he wants to be doing. He was given that chance yesterday, just like the Stoke game, and failed miserably each and every time. That was not poor management. It was either a lack of ability or he just didn't give a ****. His movement is poor, never seems to come looking for the ball to make things happen. Never plays any good passes. You say he can finish? Then how comes he isn't thriving in this advanced role he's playing? He's mishit almost every shot and pass he's taken this season. Because someone has gone through a purple patch scoring a few goals, does that meen he can finish? There's plently of players worse than Sessegnon when on similar goal scoring runs. I'd say it would be better to look at said players technique to decide whether they're a good finisher.
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I fully agree that behind a strike PAIR is his best role, but he has been good on the left cutting in, the whole team was garbage vs Chelsea.

He's a very gifted footballer, and it's a folly to pick anyone out when the team en-masse is a shower at the minute.

There are far worse players in the side right now for sure.
 
Bruceys Beak said:
I fully agree that behind a strike PAIR is his best role, but he has been good on the left cutting in, the whole team was garbage vs Chelsea.

He's a very gifted footballer, and it's a folly to pick anyone out when the team en-masse is a shower at the minute.

There are far worse players in the side right now for sure.
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This <ok>

I also think there are not enough runs being made off him.
Far too many of our players pass the ball then stand and watch, instead of making them selves available for a return pass.
This is basic tactics.
 
I think that as soon as Bruce realises that Centre Back isn't his best position, and puts the lad in goal instead, we will see a marked improvement.
 
I think Sessegnon is a good player. Perhaps he is one of these players who needs a run of good games to get confidence. Saw him vs Liverpool and he looked very good.
 
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