Second Referendum

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PhheHdee said:
No it's not, your argument is nonsense.

1. People who struggle to feed themselves and their families do not consider environment in India (despite your dismissal of their predicament)
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2. No one mentioned suicide.
3. No one said some are not making efforts (those not at the pointy end of the stick)
4 Adverse weather is affecting indian crops (there is no link between that and human emissions, according to the IPCC, they cannot attribute weather to CO2 with any confidence as of AR5, the last IPCC report.
"Only a few studies have attempted to evaluate the role of climate change in the impacts of individual extreme weather events."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg2/WGIIAR5-Chap18_FINAL.pdf
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India did global warming cause all of this too?
5 Africa has suffered drought for many centuries at different parts at different times and this has nothing to do with the girl not caring for the environment, she just cares about trying to survive

6 The Sahara is greening due to the increase of CO2 levels in the atmosphere, as shown by 30 years of satellite imaging. Again nothing to do with the topic
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7 The poorest parts of the world are also the most polluting.
Poverty causes pollution
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/energy-environment/poverty-causes-pollution/
Your post from start to finish was complete and utter nonsense
You are indeed a loonie lefty
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So much rubbish.
1. I do not and cannot dismiss the environment in india. It is you who shifts the argument away from the farmer you first mentioned because you in reality knew nothing of what is happening in the places I know well.
2. I mention suicide because it is relevant to the indian farmer you mentioned.
3. Most would make the effort given the tools, that they are unable does not make them ignorant or blind to the effect they are subjected to.
4. The biggest factor in farming in india is erosion, poor water quality, and an erratic monsoon
http://www.theweek.in/features/lifestyle/Climate-change-cause-of-erratic-rains-in-india.html
5. Villages tend to spring up close to water sources, when there is drought and no form of water storage or pump to carry water then the environment forces her to walk further. You think she is unaware of the impact of the environment and is not willing to make changes given the opportunity. It is you that is the fool.
6. The Sahel is predicted in some models to green due to a change in weather patterns. Your map provides no information so is pointless without a source. There is a concerted effort to reduce soil erosion and desertification sound of the sahara
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34790661

7. Your final source which is a single opinion, actually highlights the point that I made regarding the desire to switch away from the things that harm them and how the desire and the move to solar is a sea change in poor communities. Basically you are using a source nearly 10 years old and the world has moved on.
 
PhheHdee said:
What thesis? what cherry picking?

Every point was in direct response to each point made

Exactly what was cherry picking my good man?
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In 4 you make a selective quote that says that there is insufficient evidence to show a causal link into a bald statement that there is no causal link. A major cause of extreme weather is the heat in the oceans being transferred to the atmosphere. It isn’t yet proven by the data but the underlying physics would imply a strong link. In six you somehow assume a causal link from very thin evidence for something that wasn’t even being discussed.
In 7 the article you quote doesn’t support your conclusion
 
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PhheHdee said:
I did omit that, ta, today I was going to mention that to NSIS, but it slipped my mind (re Spanish politics being utterly bent)

They attacked firemen, police, women and kids, the Spanish stasi acted like animals
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Boring!

Already been covered. It’s mostly accepted here that Rajoy handled the whole thing badly.

However, it was an illegal referendum as Puigdemont was well aware of and voted in only by those who supported Catalan independence.

He then stupidly declared UDI in a move guaranteed to provoke Madrid. Rajoy overreacted - the rest you know.
 
PhheHdee said:
I replied to a statement made without doubt when the IPCC who are considered the authority on this matter said the attribution of weather events is emerging science.

I then posted a historical reference to the same things happening before in India before CO2 emissions were said to be an issue.
So the question begs, how do we separate the Bengal famine that killed 6 million people with starvation, with crop failures today caused by the same type of weather events.? How do we separate other instances of weather impacts in India since the 1800s?

I think that is entirely reasonable.

Your comment is in no way linked to that question and my answer, talking about physics in the abstract does not make anything clearer in that respect.
Physics is part of my current curriculum so if you wish to discuss the merits of some research then sure we can do that.

lastly, if the person I replied to has issues about a source, we can discuss those issues.
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You miss the point completely.

Perhaps if I give you a definition of environmentalism you might realise it applies regardless of timeframe, CO2 changes or global warming changes.

'Environmentalism advocates the preservation, restoration and/or improvement of the natural environment'
 
PhheHdee said:
I replied to a statement made without doubt when the IPCC who are considered the authority on this matter said the attribution of weather events is emerging science.

I then posted a historical reference to the same things happening before in India before CO2 emissions were said to be an issue.
So the question begs, how do we separate the Bengal famine that killed 6 million people with starvation, with crop failures today caused by the same type of weather events.? How do we separate other instances of weather impacts in India since the 1800s?

I think that is entirely reasonable.

Your comment is in no way linked to that question and my answer, talking about physics in the abstract does not make anything clearer in that respect.
Physics is part of my current curriculum so if you wish to discuss the merits of some research then sure we can do that.

lastly, if the person I replied to has issues about a source, we can discuss those issues.
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More recent research linking weather with climate change

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...hange-cause-extreme-weather-events-180964506/
 
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The "climate debate" is the most craziest angriest areas of scientific debate I have ever come across. Even scientists (on both sides) act like children and call each other names! :emoticon-0104-surpr
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Boring!

Already been covered. It’s mostly accepted here that Rajoy handled the whole thing badly.

However, it was an illegal referendum as Puigdemont was well aware of and voted in only by those who supported Catalan independence.

He then stupidly declared UDI in a move guaranteed to provoke Madrid. Rajoy overreacted - the rest you know.
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If Rajoy had authorised the referendum it is very possible that vote would have gone in favour of remaining as part of Spain. In most other regions of Spain the Catalans are not liked as they are seen as greedy, wanting from central government than other regions. The number of Spanish flags flying from peoples houses trebled in our area as people showed their support . It was probably the only time that Rajoy has had substantial popular support.
 
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PhheHdee said:
@PowerSpurs

The "climate debate" is the most craziest angriest areas of scientific debate I have ever come across. Even scientists (on both sides) act like children and call each other names! :emoticon-0104-surpr
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I agree but scientists shouldn’t be taking sides they should be applying the scientific process. The facts seem overwhelming to me and to all the physicists I know, none of whom are political or have any axe to grind.
 
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