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Second Referendum

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  1. Angry_Physics

    Angry_Physics Well-Known Member

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    So much rubbish.
    1. I do not and cannot dismiss the environment in india. It is you who shifts the argument away from the farmer you first mentioned because you in reality knew nothing of what is happening in the places I know well.
    2. I mention suicide because it is relevant to the indian farmer you mentioned.
    3. Most would make the effort given the tools, that they are unable does not make them ignorant or blind to the effect they are subjected to.
    4. The biggest factor in farming in india is erosion, poor water quality, and an erratic monsoon
    http://www.theweek.in/features/lifestyle/Climate-change-cause-of-erratic-rains-in-india.html
    5. Villages tend to spring up close to water sources, when there is drought and no form of water storage or pump to carry water then the environment forces her to walk further. You think she is unaware of the impact of the environment and is not willing to make changes given the opportunity. It is you that is the fool.
    6. The Sahel is predicted in some models to green due to a change in weather patterns. Your map provides no information so is pointless without a source. There is a concerted effort to reduce soil erosion and desertification sound of the sahara
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34790661

    7. Your final source which is a single opinion, actually highlights the point that I made regarding the desire to switch away from the things that harm them and how the desire and the move to solar is a sea change in poor communities. Basically you are using a source nearly 10 years old and the world has moved on.
     
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  3. PowerSpurs

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    In 4 you make a selective quote that says that there is insufficient evidence to show a causal link into a bald statement that there is no causal link. A major cause of extreme weather is the heat in the oceans being transferred to the atmosphere. It isn’t yet proven by the data but the underlying physics would imply a strong link. In six you somehow assume a causal link from very thin evidence for something that wasn’t even being discussed.
    In 7 the article you quote doesn’t support your conclusion
     
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    Boring!

    Already been covered. It’s mostly accepted here that Rajoy handled the whole thing badly.

    However, it was an illegal referendum as Puigdemont was well aware of and voted in only by those who supported Catalan independence.

    He then stupidly declared UDI in a move guaranteed to provoke Madrid. Rajoy overreacted - the rest you know.
     
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    Exactly, breached three articles but the EU just sat back and did nothing. Could have been Yugoslavia all over again <whistle> although this time Spain are in the EU.
     
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    Got enough pages yet? :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    I think the EU should have spoken out on human rights abuses in a member state, yes I do.
     
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    You miss the point completely.

    Perhaps if I give you a definition of environmentalism you might realise it applies regardless of timeframe, CO2 changes or global warming changes.

    'Environmentalism advocates the preservation, restoration and/or improvement of the natural environment'
     
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    More recent research linking weather with climate change

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...hange-cause-extreme-weather-events-180964506/
     
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    Fair enough
     
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    @PowerSpurs

    The "climate debate" is the most craziest angriest areas of scientific debate I have ever come across. Even scientists (on both sides) act like children and call each other names! :emoticon-0104-surpr
     
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    If Rajoy had authorised the referendum it is very possible that vote would have gone in favour of remaining as part of Spain. In most other regions of Spain the Catalans are not liked as they are seen as greedy, wanting from central government than other regions. The number of Spanish flags flying from peoples houses trebled in our area as people showed their support . It was probably the only time that Rajoy has had substantial popular support.
     
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    I agree but scientists shouldn’t be taking sides they should be applying the scientific process. The facts seem overwhelming to me and to all the physicists I know, none of whom are political or have any axe to grind.
     
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