Second Referendum

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Obviously (not an insult) you are not familiar with the topic.

Climate is a weather trend, as in, there is no such thing as climate, it is a human measurement of the trend of weather variance over time.

When you predict arctic ice will be gone by 2100, you are predicting arctic weather in 2100, because ice only melts depending on the weather in the arctic, it does not depend on a "climate trend."
Whatever you say. Oh by the way it snowed heavily in Spain this week and we all went skiing. Must be our new arctic climate.
 
I'm out of patience with your nonsense, especially your delusions of "me doing something". Your arguments are ranty and quite franky for the most part nonsense, I would even go as far as say gibberish, though one or two points I accepted.

Your rants have hardly even been responses to my original points


So lets jump to the papers.

As posted above I don't accept link spams.
You must read the paper, understand it then cite the part of the research that supports an argument you make.

"They said" link spams are a waste of my time,

So, make your case, whatever that may be specifically and then reference the results that warrant your conclusion.
If you are not willing to do that, then it's obvious you are out of your depth or cant be arsed.

The points I make are clear responses to your claims.

The links support the points I have made, that you choose not to look is to your detriment and of no concern of mine.

My case is simple and has been made multiple times. Your claim that environmentalism is only for the wealthy is an unsupported delusion. If you want to enter the subplots then the choice is yours as to whether you research further, as I won't be holding your hand and do not jump to your tune.
 
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Remoaners have more immediate concerns, like overturning democratic vote


Democracy didn’t come to a sudden end on 23rd June 2016.

As even the idiot Davis managed to espouse in a moment of remarkable eloquence, ‘If democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democrscy’
 
Democracy didn’t come to a sudden end on 23rd June 2016.

As even the idiot Davis managed to espouse in a moment of remarkable eloquence, ‘If democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democrscy’


Yes but is it that simple?
A referendum was had, we had a democratic process.

Calling for votes over and over until you get the decision you want is not democracy <laugh>
Why not call for another general election because Labour didn't win?
 
Whatever you say. Oh by the way it snowed heavily in Spain this week and we all went skiing. Must be our new arctic climate.


It's "all" weather. Not climate <laugh>


For the benefit of everyone else on here, I am not debating loons on this topic here. (No, I didn't call you a loon) ;)
 
Yes but is it that simple?
A referendum was had, we had a democratic process.

Calling for votes over and over until you get the decision you want is not democracy <laugh>
Why not call for another general election because Labour didn't win?


I agree that rerunning the original referendum is a non starter. However, I strongly feel that a vote should be given when all final terms and conditions of our departure are known.


Plus far too little information about the consequences, economic and otherwise was known before the previous referendum.

The voting public should have the perceived pros and cons of the agreed deal put clearly to them and then simply asked, “Do you still want to go ahead with this, or not”

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And I’ve no desire to see the current Labour Party in power. I think they’d be an even worse disaster for the economy than Brexit.
 
Yes but is it that simple?
A referendum was had, we had a democratic process.

Calling for votes over and over until you get the decision you want is not democracy <laugh>
Why not call for another general election because Labour didn't win?
There’ll be another general election soon enough. Even sooner if Theresa thinks she can get a landslide majority. So not that soon then.
 
Example 1 Brexit threats and bogus claims from EU
Example 2 Irish vote in Lisbon (met with open threats before vote)
Example 3 Poland threatened with having voting rights stripped currently because they are restructuring their justice system

I have lots more, if I had the will to dig them up

Poland are not "restructuring their justice system". The ruling party is threatening the independance of the judiciary in a way which fundamentally undermines the rule of law. This is anethema to one of the principles on which democratic states are founded.

If Poland expects to retain full voting rights within the EU, it needs to remain a democracy at home; I can't see anything wrong with the EU insisting upon that.
 
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@brb the Scouse wit has turned out to be Tom O’Connor and has resorted to using twatty memes. #whencomicsonlyhaveonegag

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If Poland expects to retain full voting rights within the EU, it needs to remain a democracy at home; I can't see anything wrong with the EU insisting upon that.

I suppose we could always send in the Madrid foot soldiers to batter the **** out of the Poles to teach them all about democracy <whistle>
 
I agree that rerunning the original referendum is a non starter. However, I strongly feel that a vote should be given when all final terms and conditions of our departure are known.


Plus far too little information about the consequences, economic and otherwise was known before the previous referendum.

The voting public should have the perceived pros and cons of the agreed deal put clearly to them and then simply asked, “Do you still want to go ahead with this, or not”

Edit:

And I’ve no desire to see the current Labour Party in power. I think they’d be an even worse disaster for the economy than Brexit.


Fair points though I think it was not possible to provide information on economic factors such as negotiations still to happen in the future, can be given out and so consequences, but... your future is in your hands, or rather those you elect, and not those you don't elect :)

There were pros and cons, and with a divided opinion, there were biases on both sides and both sides in part imo intended to push claims they could not know were true, analysis can and will be flawed especially if you consider my first point about negotiations that happen in the future.

The upside is you control your own currency, you have a solid reputation on international markets, you have solid brands, and the business world for the most part deals in the English language :)

I would say given the above, one should be quite positive about the future. I don't think that can be said for the majority of EU member states economically speaking.
Deregulation helps economy, I don't mean just let corporations run amok, but regulations in the EU is hitting SMEs hard. It costs a mint to meet EU regulations, and it is the large multinational corps that lobby for these regulations to stifle competition.
 
There’ll be another general election soon enough. Even sooner if Theresa thinks she can get a landslide majority. So not that soon then.
<laugh>

Personally I don't even believe the Tory party are Tories, they are some weird blend of Tory and neoliberal and "progressive Tory". They are not truly conservative at all.
I am 100% with Peter Hitchens on that.



Theresa May's work for the Home Office was disturbing, but lets face it, she was not the master, only fulfilling requests for the monster that is the Surveillance state. I don't like her, never did.
If it has to be a Tory in No10, let it be Jacob Reese Mogg. May is a lame duck

What is paramount is the UK electorate breaking the marriage between state and arms makers. The wars have to stop, they are bleeding Britain of money and reputation

Make education free, there is just no excuses, put the money for war and spying on citizens into education instead, change welfare system, people either have to be in education (if made free) or something else, no one just gets welfare for no return.

This will boost innovation and growth over a mere generation or two and annihilate the welfare bill.