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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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You're married with kids = you get benefits (that I as a single childless person pay for...)

The Green party has no credible policies, they are cranks.

Typical Tory, just cos you can't pull a bird and knock out a few sprogs you get all bitter with those of us that can and do. Think yourself lucky they don't have a tax for ****ing. :)
 
Go for it, you won't here any objections from me.

However, an independent Scotland that joins the EU (f** knows why) and NATO (potentially) would have to subscribe to the neoconservative agenda of the United States and its European poodles. An independent Scotland would still get drawn into crises like the ones in Ukraine and Syria as a mode of political survival. Even Norway has been pressured into placing sanctions against Russia, and they're not even in the EU. An independent Scotland would probably have to sign up for TTIP as well. You may be slightly better off (or worse), but not by much.

Correct, they will be dragged in to any war the US or EU wants them to join.
 
Who can say? I've seen there are "green" alternatives to plastic being developed, bought shares in one such company. Lost my money...
Gas can be replaced: solar, sea, wind, nuclear, geothermal, any others?

Aye, i'm sure that's the biggest concern for Scotland and it's people right now, that Oil and Gas might be redundant in 20 years time and an alternative to plastic will be discovered. Just as well we are amply placed to take advantage of Solar, sea and wind power, we have plenty of that.

I won't be able to sleep now, i'm surprised every world leader whose economy relies on Gas and Oil gets any sleep at all.
 
Aye, i'm sure that's the biggest concern for Scotland and it's people right now, that Oil and Gas might be redundant in 20 years time and an alternative to plastic will be discovered. Just as well we are amply placed to take advantage of Solar, sea and wind power, we have plenty of that.

I won't be able to sleep now, i'm surprised every world leader whose economy relies on Gas and Oil gets any sleep at all.

You may have many concerns and much to think about but I was addressing the issue of oil (and gas): how much remains and how much is it worth? I only commented as it keeps getting bandied about that the scotch will be wealthy off of these resources. I question how long that wealth will last.

If you think in the future you can market your solar (?), sea and wind power to the wider world, good luck with that.
 
Aye, i'm sure that's the biggest concern for Scotland and it's people right now, that Oil and Gas might be redundant in 20 years time and an alternative to plastic will be discovered. Just as well we are amply placed to take advantage of Solar, sea and wind power, we have plenty of that.

I won't be able to sleep now, i'm surprised every world leader whose economy relies on Gas and Oil gets any sleep at all.

He's pretty pointless now :)
 
You may have many concerns and much to think about but I was addressing the issue of oil (and gas): how much remains and how much is it worth? I only commented as it keeps getting bandied about that the scotch will be wealthy off of these resources. I question how long that wealth will last.

If you think in the future you can market your solar (?), sea and wind power to the wider world, good luck with that.

That depends upon who you listen to>



“The oil will run out by 1994.”
(Labour MP Tony Benn, May 1979)

“The oil will run out by 2000.”
(Labour MP Ioan Evans, February 1980)

“Oil and gas will run out by the end of the 1980s.”
(Tory MPs Timothy Eggart and Peter Ross, January 1982)

“Oil will be running out by 1989.”

(Labour MP Jeff Rooker, April 1984)

“The UK Government has spent 30 years suppressing its own report telling the Scots how rich oil would make them with independence.”

(The Independent, December 2005) -

“Norway’s oil fund grew by 18% in 2012 to £450bn.”

(BBC News, March 2013) -
“Alistair Darling is pocketing an extra £13m A DAY thanks to soaring oil prices.”
(The Sun, April 2008)

North Sea oil could run out by 2018.”
(The Guardian, May 2008)

“North Sea oil will last another 100 years.”
(The Telegraph, June 2008)

“High oil and gas prices could lead to a Treasury tax windfall.”
(Alistair Darling on BBC News, June 2008)

“Soaring oil prices could hold back the economic recovery.”
(Alistair Darling in the Evening Standard, June 2009)

“Collapsing oil revenue will turn the whole UK into a banana republic!”
(The Telegraph, November 2009)

“Scotland faces bill of £30bn after North Sea oil runs out.”

(The Scotsman, April 2012)

“North Sea oil will last for another 50 years.”
(Daily Express, September 2012)

“Declining oil revenue will leave Scotland worse off than the UK.”
(The Telegraph, November 2012)

“The trouble with oil is that it’s a tremendously volatile diminishing asset.”
(Alistair Darling in the Paisley Daily Express, December 2012)

“Oil and gas decline to halt as investment booms.”
(Reuters, January 2013)

“North Sea oil to give George Osborne £25bn boost.”

(The Telegraph, February 2013)

“It’s not Scotland’s oil, it’s Shetland’s.”
(Tavish Scott in The Shetland Times, March 2013)

“It’s definitely Scotland’s oil.”
(Vince Cable in The Telegraph, March 2013)

“Falling oil revenues will mean savage public spending cuts or tax rises.”
(Vince Cable in the Scotsman, March 2013)

“Oil and gas will play a vital role in British energy needs for decades to come.”
(Vince Cable in the Daily Record, March 2013)

“There are probably billions of barrels still to be found in Scottish waters, which is why we’re investing billions of pounds in looking for it.”

(New York Times, March 2013)

“Oil revenue is volatile, and declining, and cheap gas from fracking will probably make it completely worthless.”
(The Scotsman, March 2013)

“North Sea oil and gas have a long and bright future.”

(UK energy minister John Hayes, March 2013)

“There’s no bright future for oil revenue.”
(Dumfries And Galloway Standard, March 2013)

“Analysts believe that Clair, along with other developments [in Scottish waters to the west of Shetland], could lead to the Atlantic overtaking the North Sea as the UK’s biggest oil-producing region within 20 years.”

(BBC News, March 2013)

“Scotland will be so rich from oil you won’t be able to handle it by yourselves!”

(The Telegraph, March 2013)
 
That depends upon who you listen to>



“The oil will run out by 1994.”
(Labour MP Tony Benn, May 1979)

“The oil will run out by 2000.”
(Labour MP Ioan Evans, February 1980)

“Oil and gas will run out by the end of the 1980s.”
(Tory MPs Timothy Eggart and Peter Ross, January 1982)

“Oil will be running out by 1989.”

(Labour MP Jeff Rooker, April 1984)

“The UK Government has spent 30 years suppressing its own report telling the Scots how rich oil would make them with independence.”

(The Independent, December 2005) -

“Norway’s oil fund grew by 18% in 2012 to £450bn.”

(BBC News, March 2013) -
“Alistair Darling is pocketing an extra £13m A DAY thanks to soaring oil prices.”
(The Sun, April 2008)

North Sea oil could run out by 2018.”
(The Guardian, May 2008)

“North Sea oil will last another 100 years.”
(The Telegraph, June 2008)

“High oil and gas prices could lead to a Treasury tax windfall.”
(Alistair Darling on BBC News, June 2008)

“Soaring oil prices could hold back the economic recovery.”
(Alistair Darling in the Evening Standard, June 2009)

“Collapsing oil revenue will turn the whole UK into a banana republic!”
(The Telegraph, November 2009)

“Scotland faces bill of £30bn after North Sea oil runs out.”

(The Scotsman, April 2012)

“North Sea oil will last for another 50 years.”
(Daily Express, September 2012)

“Declining oil revenue will leave Scotland worse off than the UK.”
(The Telegraph, November 2012)

“The trouble with oil is that it’s a tremendously volatile diminishing asset.”
(Alistair Darling in the Paisley Daily Express, December 2012)

“Oil and gas decline to halt as investment booms.”
(Reuters, January 2013)

“North Sea oil to give George Osborne £25bn boost.”

(The Telegraph, February 2013)

“It’s not Scotland’s oil, it’s Shetland’s.”
(Tavish Scott in The Shetland Times, March 2013)

“It’s definitely Scotland’s oil.”
(Vince Cable in The Telegraph, March 2013)

“Falling oil revenues will mean savage public spending cuts or tax rises.”
(Vince Cable in the Scotsman, March 2013)

“Oil and gas will play a vital role in British energy needs for decades to come.”
(Vince Cable in the Daily Record, March 2013)

“There are probably billions of barrels still to be found in Scottish waters, which is why we’re investing billions of pounds in looking for it.”

(New York Times, March 2013)

“Oil revenue is volatile, and declining, and cheap gas from fracking will probably make it completely worthless.”
(The Scotsman, March 2013)

“North Sea oil and gas have a long and bright future.”

(UK energy minister John Hayes, March 2013)

“There’s no bright future for oil revenue.”
(Dumfries And Galloway Standard, March 2013)

“Analysts believe that Clair, along with other developments [in Scottish waters to the west of Shetland], could lead to the Atlantic overtaking the North Sea as the UK’s biggest oil-producing region within 20 years.”

(BBC News, March 2013)

“Scotland will be so rich from oil you won’t be able to handle it by yourselves!”

(The Telegraph, March 2013)

Game set and match, dev.
 
That depends upon who you listen to>



“The oil will run out by 1994.”
(Labour MP Tony Benn, May 1979)

“The oil will run out by 2000.”
(Labour MP Ioan Evans, February 1980)

“Oil and gas will run out by the end of the 1980s.”
(Tory MPs Timothy Eggart and Peter Ross, January 1982)

“Oil will be running out by 1989.”

(Labour MP Jeff Rooker, April 1984)

“The UK Government has spent 30 years suppressing its own report telling the Scots how rich oil would make them with independence.”

(The Independent, December 2005) -

“Norway’s oil fund grew by 18% in 2012 to £450bn.”

(BBC News, March 2013) -
“Alistair Darling is pocketing an extra £13m A DAY thanks to soaring oil prices.”
(The Sun, April 2008)

North Sea oil could run out by 2018.”
(The Guardian, May 2008)

“North Sea oil will last another 100 years.”
(The Telegraph, June 2008)

“High oil and gas prices could lead to a Treasury tax windfall.”
(Alistair Darling on BBC News, June 2008)

“Soaring oil prices could hold back the economic recovery.”
(Alistair Darling in the Evening Standard, June 2009)

“Collapsing oil revenue will turn the whole UK into a banana republic!”
(The Telegraph, November 2009)

“Scotland faces bill of £30bn after North Sea oil runs out.”

(The Scotsman, April 2012)

“North Sea oil will last for another 50 years.”
(Daily Express, September 2012)

“Declining oil revenue will leave Scotland worse off than the UK.”
(The Telegraph, November 2012)

“The trouble with oil is that it’s a tremendously volatile diminishing asset.”
(Alistair Darling in the Paisley Daily Express, December 2012)

“Oil and gas decline to halt as investment booms.”
(Reuters, January 2013)

“North Sea oil to give George Osborne £25bn boost.”

(The Telegraph, February 2013)

“It’s not Scotland’s oil, it’s Shetland’s.”
(Tavish Scott in The Shetland Times, March 2013)

“It’s definitely Scotland’s oil.”
(Vince Cable in The Telegraph, March 2013)

“Falling oil revenues will mean savage public spending cuts or tax rises.”
(Vince Cable in the Scotsman, March 2013)

“Oil and gas will play a vital role in British energy needs for decades to come.”
(Vince Cable in the Daily Record, March 2013)

“There are probably billions of barrels still to be found in Scottish waters, which is why we’re investing billions of pounds in looking for it.”

(New York Times, March 2013)

“Oil revenue is volatile, and declining, and cheap gas from fracking will probably make it completely worthless.”
(The Scotsman, March 2013)

“North Sea oil and gas have a long and bright future.”

(UK energy minister John Hayes, March 2013)

“There’s no bright future for oil revenue.”
(Dumfries And Galloway Standard, March 2013)

“Analysts believe that Clair, along with other developments [in Scottish waters to the west of Shetland], could lead to the Atlantic overtaking the North Sea as the UK’s biggest oil-producing region within 20 years.”

(BBC News, March 2013)

“Scotland will be so rich from oil you won’t be able to handle it by yourselves!”

(The Telegraph, March 2013)

This list of estimates of how long those resources will last completely misses the point which was me questioning for how much longer will those resources will be in demand.
 
Will this thread die after the vote?

If you all vote yes, then this thread will die, in fact most of GC will die because like the supermarkets, all broadband providers are pulling out of Scotland apparently.

Shame really, no supermarkets and we can't take the piss on here as you all starve to death.

You could all try eating oil. :D
 
If you all vote yes, then this thread will die, in fact most of GC will die because like the supermarkets, all broadband providers are pulling out of Scotland apparently.

Shame really, no supermarkets and we can't take the piss on here as you all starve to death.

You could all try eating oil. :D

At least when they realise they're skint and cut funding for care and pensions ER will die quickly <ok>