Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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Where does that 1.5bn come from though?

How do you know that we wont start to make more money when independent? There is no guarantee that it will cost us anything and it could actually mean us making more money.

For the no campaign to state it will cost us money then to also state that there is too many uncertainties is a contradiction.
 
eric cartman said:
Where does that 1.5bn come from though?

How do you know that we wont start to make more money when independent? There is no guarantee that it will cost us anything and it could actually mean us making more money.

For the no campaign to state it will cost us money then to also state that there is too many uncertainties is a contradiction.
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I have just told you ya gormless twat, salmonds own advisor.

jesus wept.
 
eric cartman said:
Yes but there are millions who are for it. As I said we had the same situation with the Iraq war yet why do you think they refused to put that to a vote?
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Which wars have ever been put to a Public vote?

Anyway it's just my opinion, I don't think there will be enough voting Yes to swing it, I may be wrong but I don't get that feeling from most people I know, most of them are undecided or simply uninterested enough not to vote.
 
DevAdvocate said:
Which wars have ever been put to a Public vote?

Anyway it's just my opinion, I don't think there will be enough voting Yes to swing it, I may be wrong but I don't get that feeling from most people I know, most of them are undecided or simply uninterested enough not to vote.
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None but the point is there was talk of a vote on the iraq war but it was stopped because the opinion polls were dead against it. Similar situation here the tories have allowed a vote because they see the chance to finally get rid of the Scottish labour vote in the general election. It can be no surprise that the only papers for the union are all backed by the labour party.
 
eric cartman said:
None but the point is there was talk of a vote on the iraq war but it was stopped because the opinion polls were dead against it. Similar situation here the tories have allowed a vote because they see the chance to finally get rid of the Scottish labour vote in the general election. It can be no surprise that the only papers for the union are all backed by the labour party.
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Talk? It was never going to happen and what you hope to establish by making comparisons with a vote to go to war and a vote for a country's independence is beyond my ken. Those are two entirely unrelated situations. As I said, it's only my opinion, I, like you, have no way of knowing how it's going to go and i'm not going to lose sleep whether it goes one way or another.
 
DevAdvocate said:
Talk? It was never going to happen and what you hope to establish by making comparisons with a vote to go to war and a vote for a country's independence is beyond my ken. Those are two entirely unrelated situations. As I said, it's only my opinion, I, like you, have no way of knowing how it's going to go and i'm not going to lose sleep whether it goes one way or another.
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Of course it was never going to happen when the majority were against it but why were the opinion polls showing the majority in favour?
 
Good grief . Eric Vs ER that's a clash of the titans right there :emoticon-0110-tongu

@ER , at the recent European elections there was a total of 4.04 MILLION people registered to vote in Scotland . That has seen a rise of over 37% over the last year or so . Mainly due to people registering to vote in the referendum . It remains to be seen which way all those new voters will vote .

So there will be "millions" of yes voters . There will also be "millions" of no voters . You seem to think that the majority of Scotlands 5 million + population is under 16 . You really are thick as ****e .

@Eric , the Tories didn't allow Scotland a referendum . The Scottish people voted for one when the re-elected a SNP government . There was no way Westminster could veto it regardless of what party was in power .

After all we do live in a democracy .

The Tory party gain nothing from Scotland voting yes . The Scottish vote is an irrelevance at Westminster elections . That is one of the main reasons we need independence ffs .

The only thing a yes vote would give to the Tories and Cameron is the notoriety of being in power as the union fell apart .
 
What a load of pish...every Scotsman is pro independence <laugh>

The majority of people I know are either no or undecided.

My work place is pretty evenly split between yes, no and undecided with a few who couldn't give a f**k.
 
pud said:
What a load of pish...every Scotsman is pro independence <laugh>

The majority of people I know are either no or undecided.

My work place is pretty evenly split between yes, no and undecided with a few who couldn't give a f**k.
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The majority of people I know are yes or undecided . It's probably a wee bit in favour of no where I work mainly because the place is fulla Orange bastards :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
Budgy said:
Good grief . Eric Vs ER that's a clash of the titans right there :emoticon-0110-tongu

@ER , at the recent European elections there was a total of 4.04 MILLION people registered to vote in Scotland . That has seen a rise of over 37% over the last year or so . Mainly due to people registering to vote in the referendum . It remains to be seen which way all those new voters will vote .

So there will be "millions" of yes voters . There will also be "millions" of no voters . You seem to think that the majority of Scotlands 5 million + population is under 16 . You really are thick as ****e .

@Eric , the Tories didn't allow Scotland a referendum . The Scottish people voted for one when the re-elected a SNP government . There was no way Westminster could veto it regardless of what party was in power .

After all we do live in a democracy .

The Tory party gain nothing from Scotland voting yes . The Scottish vote is an irrelevance at Westminster elections . That is one of the main reasons we need independence ffs .

The only thing a yes vote would give to the Tories and Cameron is the notoriety of being in power as the union fell apart .
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It would get rid of a the Scottish labour votes though.
 
How's this for some old fashioned Propaganda?

What's the connection between Scotland in 2014 and Ireland in 1916?

The eminent historian Prof Tom Devine took everyone by surprise with his St Patrick&#8217;s Day claim that Scotland&#8217;s Roman Catholics were the religious group most likely to back Scottish independence. An entrenched support for the Labour Party among the Catholic working class that once shaped the politics of Glasgow and the West of Scotland has certainly been weakening in recent years. The SNP&#8217;s commitment to a generous welfare system has eroded Labour support among the lowest income groups where many families of Irish extraction are to be found.


But the good professor is surely getting carried away by a personal zeal for independence if he thinks that Salmond has Scotland&#8217;s Catholics (estimated at around 16% of the population) in the bag. It&#8217;s not so long since senior pupils at St Aloysius College in Glasgow voted 70% in support of the union.
One expression of Catholicism that has definitely been impressed by the anti-British rhetoric of the SNP is Celtic&#8217;s unsavoury Green Brigade. With mindsets still rooted in 1916 and a baying infatuation with the heroes of Irish independence, the prospect of delivering a fatal blow to the hated British establishment has seen them line up their tricolours behind Salmond. His stock only rises every time he shakes a fist at the Westminister &#8220;bullies&#8221;. Salmond&#8217;s recent threat to renege on Scotland&#8217;s share of the UK national debt got rave reviews in the more lurid Celtic fanzines.


Having the Green Brigade among his biggest fans is likely to cost Salmond votes on both sides of the religious divide. Decent Catholics and Protestants alike are repelled by them.
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If we do end up becoming an independent country then I hope for one thing...


A new national anthem... Fos is a ****in dirge.

Something inspirational and upbeat.
 
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