Saint Fraser!

[Puck]

Boruc isn't particularly high up the "saves made" list but then he missed a fair few games with a broken hand so you wouldn't necessarily expect him to be. Here are some stats though.

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I notice Krul isn't on either of those lists.

 

[Piebacca]

And how does the resident genius figure that one? I stated my opinion quite reasonably, and it's hardly an unreasonable opinion I stated. If I think a player is ****e, what makes you think I can't say so. I didn't say you couldn't disagree? Each to their own and all that.

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[laurab12]

Multi-board forum. MULTI-BOARD FORUM. You want a single-board forum, where nobody else can challenge your isolated views

I'm all for having my views challenged. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I just do not get why you care how good or bad any saints player is when you have a whole squad of your own to worry about

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

So, give us your well-informed opinion. How do you find Boruc in one-on-one situations? Are there any weaknesses you spotted in his technique on such?

His weaknesses are largely reflected in his mentality. He's the very definition of erratic, and exceptionally prone to rash judgements, which is weirdly a feature with Polish goalkeepers. Wojciech Szczęsny, for example, makes absolutely ridiculous decisions. Like I say, I know what I like in my keepers, and I don't appreciate Boruc as much as others.

My personal favourites in the league, given Courtois hasn't had a go yet, are Lloris (he makes very few errors considering he's practically a sweeper keeper) and Mignolet. The latter because he's got sensational technique, although he had a tough time last year as Liverpool's defence would essentially **** off and join the attack. Lovren should solve that problem!

I don't regard that as inflammatory. The fact you want to take it as such is your own business. I'm more than willing to hear why I'm wrong, but to simply told I'm a troll for having a different opinion, which is exactly what's happened, doesn't reflect poorly on me, sir

 

[A Touch of Clas]

Why wait on certain deals to be completed when we can work on several and get them done as they happen? Forster is a good signing and a good value IMO. Rises to £10million so may not even be that high. Worth noting we would have budgeted for transfers previous to our summer sales, but not sure whether that is irrelevant giving the amount we received.

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

I'm all for having my views challenged. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I just do not get why you care how good or bad any saints player is when you have a whole squad of your own to worry about

Multi-board forum

I love football, sue me! I love talking football, and I like talking about different topics within it. Call me crazy, but if I want to talk about Southampton's recent additions... where would be the best place to go on this forum? Hmmmmmm.... think.... think.....

 

[Sotonist]

Sorry, your first choice keeper is utter garbage. I know what I like in goalkeepers, because I played in goal myself. Artur is one of the worst in the league, you defo needed bolstering in this department. As a Newcastle fan, I can tell you a few things about Fraser.

1. we've had endless "should we have sold Krul and kept Forster" debates on our board, and Forster-sympathisers always lose. Krul's not a world-class goalkeeper, by any stretch, but he's level with Forster in probably ever respect except catching crosses. Krul is one of the best in the world at it when he's fully fit. Forster is a useful goalie, but the consensus is we made the right choice in letting him go.
2. we still think he's a talent, but occasionally a bit ungainly and slow to be a great of the future. £10 million for him seems a bit pricey indeed, but if he stays at Southampton for many years, it's worth it, and if he becomes a regular international, he could be sold for double that in future.
3. he's very professional, which is not something Southampton should take for granted, considering the behaviour of recent and current players (before some hothead rants at me about this. Osvaldo, Lallana, Schneiderlin etc).

Wish him the best at your club

Last post I made on this forum, I noted the comparisons between our owner's strategies, to mixed response. One chap from here even suggested that you were certain to spend £120 million I wonder how we reflect on that now, with few days left til the new season? £10 million on Fraser isn't too bad, but so many more areas need addressing now. Cutting it close indeed here lads. you need players and quick!

hi, nigel. I thought you were a scouser.

 

[Piebacca]

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I don't regard that as inflammatory. The fact you want to take it as such is your own business. I'm more than willing to hear why I'm wrong, but to simply told I'm a troll for having a different opinion, which is exactly what's happened, doesn't reflect poorly on me, sir

It was. For someone apparently so amazing on a multi team forum, you have remarkably little idea what happens when you go onto another team's forum and post insulting remarks about their players.

That, or you're a ******. One or the other. Which is it?

 

[ImpSaint]

You can't even say that you watch more Southampton games than me, you just don't know. So what say everyone just chills out and let's me voice my opinion

Where are the adults?

I can't say for sure that I watch more Southampton games than you however, I can definitely say you don't watch more Southampton games than me If you watch all the league & cup games plus a few U21s and friendlies then yes you watch as many Southampton games.

However if you do watch all the Southampton games, when the **** do you watch your own team???

As for multi board yes it is but every time you come on here you do so with the intent to troll and annoy people which will eventually get you off the Southampton board.

 

[laurab12]

Multi-board forum

I love football, sue me! I love talking football, and I like talking about different topics within it. Call me crazy, but if I want to talk about Southampton's recent additions... where would be the best place to go on this forum? Hmmmmmm.... think.... think.....

Two males in my life only care about their clubs players and transfers.

Clearly you come onto a saints fan board and start insulting saints players you get reaction and attention you want

Just my opinion

 

[Piebacca]

Multi-board forum

I love football, sue me! I love talking football, and I like talking about different topics within it. Call me crazy, but if I want to talk about Southampton's recent additions... where would be the best place to go on this forum? Hmmmmmm.... think.... think.....

Give it up. Nobody believes your pseudo-intellectual bollocks.

 

[Schad]

His weaknesses are largely reflected in his mentality. He's the very definition of erratic, and exceptionally prone to rash judgements, which is weirdly a feature with Polish goalkeepers. Wojciech Szczęsny, for example, makes absolutely ridiculous decisions. Like I say, I know what I like in my keepers, and I don't appreciate Boruc as much as others.

And I'll take a keeper that makes occasionally horrible decisions -- and they were genuinely occasional, a handful per year -- while being among the very best in the game in snuffing out opportunities. Boruc makes a tonne of saves in exceedingly difficult situations look easy, because he gets off his line to close down angles as well as anyone, and had to do so rather frequently given the high line we played last year. The end product often looks like a middling highlight, but for a great many keepers the highlight ultimately would have ended with them picking the ball out of the back of the next.

I don't regard that as inflammatory. The fact you want to take it as such is your own business. I'm more than willing to hear why I'm wrong, but to simply told I'm a troll for having a different opinion, which is exactly what's happened, doesn't reflect poorly on me, sir

The inflammatory bit is where you kindly explained that none of us knew what we were talking about, because there is a Youtube video that shows him making mistakes, and you know better than us because we're in an echo chamber (something that also fails to take into account that there's hardly unified opinion about Boruc here...or anything else, for that matter). So, in conclusion, please to be ****ing along now.

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

Boruc isn't particularly high up the "saves made" list but then he missed a fair few games with a broken hand so you wouldn't necessarily expect him to be. Here are some stats though.

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I notice Krul isn't on either of those lists.

I've never said Krul was one of the best keepers

In fact, if you look through my posting history, you'll see I'm in the 50% of Newcastle fans that think he's not actually all that. His distribution is poor, he's not the best shot-stopper unless shots are straight at him or poorly struck (he's big), and he's fairly poor when one-on-one. Like I said, though, I think he's the best in the league at collecting crosses when he's on form. It's actually breath-taking. Awful puncher though.


One thing about save stats. If Joe Hart saves 70% of 20 shots on target in 31 games, will he have less clean sheets than Mannone who saves 78% of 90 shots on target in 29? Does having a higher PERCENTAGE actually mean much? No. Because an unstoppable shot is unstoppable no matter who is in goal. If you get more unstoppable shots, you look worse than someone have tame efforts straight at them.

I think it's ridiculously unfair for people to be suggesting Boruc was the sole reason for many outstanding defensive displays. I can give you about fifty million reasons why that isn't the case

That's why I think Poch will be a good fit at Spurs. He's got clever tactical systems which involve defending properly, although everyone else always gives the attacking exploits of Southampton all the plaudits, and Spurs have always been leaky against the top clubs, so it should be a good fit.

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

Two males in my life only care about their clubs players and transfers.

Clearly you come onto a saints fan board and start insulting saints players you get reaction and attention you want

Just my opinion

There's an ignore button, problem solved

Commenting that someone is an attention-seeker is just nonsensical.

Good luck to those chaps, but I like talking about more than just Newcastle.

 

[laurab12]

There's an ignore button, problem solved

Commenting that someone is an attention-seeker is just nonsensical.

Good luck to those chaps, but I like talking about more than just Newcastle.

Well if we all ignore you then you can move on and I'm sorry but what else do you call slating another teams players? But attention seeking? You know you will get a reaction

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

And I'll take a keeper that makes occasionally horrible decisions -- and they were genuinely occasional, a handful per year -- while being among the very best in the game in snuffing out opportunities. Boruc makes a tonne of saves in exceedingly difficult situations look easy, because he gets off his line to close down angles as well as anyone, and had to do so rather frequently given the high line we played last year. The end product often looks like a middling highlight, but for a great many keepers the highlight ultimately would have ended with them picking the ball out of the back of the next.



The inflammatory bit is where you kindly explained that none of us knew what we were talking about, because there is a Youtube video that shows him making mistakes, and you know better than us because we're in an echo chamber (something that also fails to take into account that there's hardly unified opinion about Boruc here...or anything else, for that matter). So, in conclusion, please to be ****ing along now.

So, you assumed something from what I said, took it as offensive, and have thus descended into calling me inflammatory? I say we draw a line under that "argument" because you're wrong. I was attacked, and simply responded with a joke. End of story.

It's a shame you're ruining what could be a useful debate with that nonsense, because what you're saying about Boruc's ability is interesting. Lloris is the best in the business for quick off his line and is an all around tidy player. With Boruc it seems more like you can actually physically see him think, "ahhh f*** it" before he runs off after the striker

Look, I'm a harsh judge of goalies, because that's the position I played. It's maybe unfair saying he's ****e, but I mean that relatively speaking. A premier league goalie is a premier league goalie. They're not going to be awful players.

 

[Piebacca]

Commenting that someone is an attention-seeker is just nonsensical.

and yet, entirely accurate.

Good luck to those chaps, but I like talking about more than just Newcastle.

Then show some respect when you do so. For the vast majority of the time, if you do that here, so will we.

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

Well if we all ignore you then you can move on and I'm sorry but what else do you call slating another teams players? But attention seeking? You know you will get a reaction

Erm I hope it will provoke a bit of debate? Otherwise you're attention seeking by posting at all

We're all here to debate and put our opinions across

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

and yet, entirely accurate.



Then show some respect when you do so. For the vast majority of the time, if you do that here, so will we.

You, I'm not bothering with. I've not called you names, at all. That's for me when a line gets crossed. Whereas you have tried to turn it personal at every stage rather than having a discussion, like some of your fellow Southampton supporters can

 

[Piebacca]

Erm I hope it will provoke a bit of debate? Otherwise you're attention seeking by posting at all

We're all here to debate and put our opinions across

Yes, and we've told you what we think of yours.