Safe standing on it's way

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Maybe there is increased capacity, which is fair enough. Though if there are still seats (locked), and one person to one seat (or standing position w/e) then I don't see how you get much more capacity...

Isn't it just easier to set an area to standing - it will say it on your ticket etc...? Most of the time it is just standing anyway, at away games, and in certain parts of most stadiums around the country. Sure, sometimes stewards enforce sitting, but often that is where 'safe standing' couldn't be implemented anyway (e.g. Anfield).

Isn't it just a waste of time and effort, putting in these fancy railings - when you could just add a word to some tickets, and tell the stewards in a two-minute meeting?

Why couldn't safe standing be implemented at Anfield? Away fans stand there every game. And therein is one of the problems with the current system. You are being held at the whim of stewards, police etc. Some fans are left alone as they will not be pushed about but others, like ours, have too many rubberneckers there to watch the other team rather than interested in supporting the team and are quite happy for the stewards to get everyone sat down and support the stewards and in some cases have been happy to see their fellow fans ejected.
The rail system is far safer, something to lean on and far more effective to stop anyone surging forward than seats which are knee high.
As for numbers, at Borussia they get in over 25,000 behind one goal standing but of course given the size of potential standing areas at the KC you are only looking at an increase of something in the order of just over 1,000.

When you think there are 25,000 behind the one goal at Borussia with space for beer vendors to walk along, smoking allowed, huge flags being waved and everyone getting behind the team vocally you can't help feeling envious comparing the sterile atmosphere at grounds in this country, especially the KC which is full of spectators there to see the PL stars and wish to do so without a lot of vulgar people spoiling their contemplation by making a noise and interrupting their view by standing up.
 
What does the seat look like when in the down position? Would that bar not obstruct your view

Also, what are the possibilities for capacity. If a seat is sold for seating purpose as J1, what does it become for standing. I presume J1 too. If J1 seating = J1 standing how does the capacity increase?
 
Why couldn't safe standing be implemented at Anfield? Away fans stand there every game. And therein is one of the problems with the current system. You are being held at the whim of stewards, police etc. Some fans are left alone as they will not be pushed about but others, like ours, have too many rubberneckers there to watch the other team rather than interested in supporting the team and are quite happy for the stewards to get everyone sat down and support the stewards and in some cases have been happy to see their fellow fans ejected.
The rail system is far safer, something to lean on and far more effective to stop anyone surging forward than seats which are knee high.
As for numbers, at Borussia they get in over 25,000 behind one goal standing but of course given the size of potential standing areas at the KC you are only looking at an increase of something in the order of just over 1,000.

When you think there are 25,000 behind the one goal at Borussia with space for beer vendors to walk along, smoking allowed, huge flags being waved and everyone getting behind the team vocally you can't help feeling envious comparing the sterile atmosphere at grounds in this country, especially the KC which is full of spectators there to see the PL stars and wish to do so without a lot of vulgar people spoiling their contemplation by making a noise and interrupting their view by standing up.

According to an FSF article I saw reading, the capacity can increase by up to 1.8 times that of seating, meaning the North Stand could rise to 7,000 ish(though that did sound high to me).
 
What does the seat look like when in the down position? Would that bar not obstruct your view

Also, what are the possibilities for capacity. If a seat is sold for seating purpose as J1, what does it become for standing. I presume J1 too. If J1 seating = J1 standing how does the capacity increase?

Have you actually looked at seats and how they work? The bar retracts when it is configued for seats. Is that beyond your comprehension?

Why do people like you just whinge and see problems when the system works at the club with the highest average attendance in Europe? You have to despair of some fans in this country. It works in the league with the largest crowds. Why wouldn't it work here?
 
According to an FSF article I saw reading, the capacity can increase by up to 1.8 times that of seating, meaning the North Stand could rise to 7,000 ish(though that did sound high to me).

I think at Borussia Dortmund it goes from 16,000 to 25,000 which is slightly less. Must admit 1.8 rings bell, but so does 1.4 for some reason If the figures are right for Dortmund it would equate to 6,250 in North Stand.
 
Have you actually looked at seats and how they work? The bar retracts when it is configued for seats. Is that beyond your comprehension?

Why do people like you just whinge and see problems when the system works at the club with the highest average attendance in Europe? You have to despair of some fans in this country. It works in the league with the largest crowds. Why wouldn't it work here?

You do realise the irony? All you ever do is whinge and moan about everything. It's as if you're stuck on a permanent menstrual cycle.

Live and let live.
 
Have you actually looked at seats and how they work? The bar retracts when it is configued for seats. Is that beyond your comprehension?

Why do people like you just whinge and see problems when the system works at the club with the highest average attendance in Europe? You have to despair of some fans in this country. It works in the league with the largest crowds. Why wouldn't it work here?

If you were able to read you would understand I was simply asking a question?

It that too much for you to understand you imbecile, albeit an imbecile who did actually answer half of the questions I mentioned!
 
Why couldn't safe standing be implemented at Anfield?

I believe that the main reason they enforce sitting in the away end at Anfield is because the back few rows cannot see the pitch when standing. So, I presume any safe standing would at least have to remove the back few rows.
 
About bloody time. It should never have been taken away in the first place.

Well it should.

It needed a really long, hard look at it.

I think the German model is one we should follow. They've done it properly.
 
If you were able to read you would understand I was simply asking a question?

It that too much for you to understand you imbecile, albeit an imbecile who did actually answer half of the questions I mentioned!

The fact you posed that question shows you have given no thought to it. Typical Hull attitude of finding reasons not to do something without knowing anything about the subject.
Being an imbecile is an aspiration for you.
 
The Hillsborough families are objecting as expected.

"There is no such thing as safe standing. I don't understand why people want to go backwards after so many steps forward” - Margaret Aspinall, Hillsborough Family Support Group