Yes I know. I did the 1-0 combos too. I couldn't get Saints to be relegated under any realistic scores. Besides, 10-0 tests gets a post noticed.
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Yes I know. I did the 1-0 combos too. I couldn't get Saints to be relegated under any realistic scores. Besides, 10-0 tests gets a post noticed.
You are wrong, technically Saints still can go down so it isn't 0%. But given the huge defeat for Saints vs Stoke and the other scores it would require, it isn't worth considering.
Correct, it isn't 0%, but I wonder what the probability value is as a percentage..? Without working it out [my arithmetic or mathematics has long not been good enough] I would guestimate that it's probably less than 1%.
As far as I'm concerned the probability is 0%. I could explain why but use your common sense. Stoke have literally 0% chance of beating us 13-0 for gods sake lol
If you used common sense to explain why the probability of Stoke beating us 13-0 is 0%, you will struggle. In a 90 minute game of football it is entirely possible for a team to win 13-0, so the probability cannot be 0%. The % would be extremely low, but 0% probability means something is impossible, which simply isn't the case - it is very improbable Saints will lose 13-0, but not impossible.
Stoke are a very negative team away from home. They pack the midfield and basically park the bus. Not only that but if they go ahead they show almost no interest in scoring another goal. Against Sunderland they were parking the bus against 10 men 1-0 up. Stoke won't be going all out to score any more goals at 1-0 let alone trying for 13-0. If Stoke isn't going to even try to win by that margin then it amazes me you think it's a possibility. And if but some fluke they manage to get 2-0 ahead they'll play even more negatively. Not only that but they have 12 away goals in 17 games and their biggest away win in history is 6-0 I think I read on the other thread. Stoke's biggest league victory ever is 10-3. The biggest home defeat in history we have had is 0-6. No team in premier league history has scored 10 goals or more. Stoke's biggest win in the premier league is 4-0.
Another analogy would be to say if for example England played a 20 over international. I think it's correct to say there is a 0% chance of all 120 balls going for 6. First off the batsman are going to have to hit their first balls and overs for six. They have no idea on the swing or seam movement, how much the pitch will turn. The bowler might bowl a perfect yorker or a ball well outside off stump just legal and not a wide. They also have to hit every ball perfect and actually attempt to hit each ball for six. Like I said, Stoke aren't going to try and score 13 goals anyway much like an international cricket team isn't going to try and hit every ball for six. It's only been done 5 times( 6 sixes in an over) at professional level. To say all 20 overs have even 1 in a centillion chance of going for 6 is nonsense to me. It's silly to even say there is a chance of it happening. And not only do Stoke need this silly win but Wigan have to win twice including Arsenal away. Villa need to lose by only one goal or Stoke have to beat us by even more (lol) and Sunderland need to get something at Spurs away. This is all looking very much like 0% chance to me
And IF Nige does us a favour and wins at West Ham we could be 10th on Sunday night.
As an old mate used to say, if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle .....
As an old mate used to say, if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle .....
I won't believe anything until Beddy gives his view...want to hear from the organ grinder not the monkeys. I reckon using Beddy reasoning, there is a 115% chance of staying up.
Stoke are a very negative team away from home. They pack the midfield and basically park the bus. Not only that but if they go ahead they show almost no interest in scoring another goal. Against Sunderland they were parking the bus against 10 men 1-0 up. Stoke won't be going all out to score any more goals at 1-0 let alone trying for 13-0. If Stoke isn't going to even try to win by that margin then it amazes me you think it's a possibility. And if but some fluke they manage to get 2-0 ahead they'll play even more negatively. Not only that but they have 12 away goals in 17 games and their biggest away win in history is 6-0 I think I read on the other thread. Stoke's biggest league victory ever is 10-3. The biggest home defeat in history we have had is 0-6. No team in premier league history has scored 10 goals or more. Stoke's biggest win in the premier league is 4-0.
Another analogy would be to say if for example England played a 20 over international. I think it's correct to say there is a 0% chance of all 120 balls going for 6. First off the batsman are going to have to hit their first balls and overs for six. They have no idea on the swing or seam movement, how much the pitch will turn. The bowler might bowl a perfect yorker or a ball well outside off stump just legal and not a wide. They also have to hit every ball perfect and actually attempt to hit each ball for six. Like I said, Stoke aren't going to try and score 13 goals anyway much like an international cricket team isn't going to try and hit every ball for six. It's only been done 5 times( 6 sixes in an over) at professional level. To say all 20 overs have even 1 in a centillion chance of going for 6 is nonsense to me. It's silly to even say there is a chance of it happening. And not only do Stoke need this silly win but Wigan have to win twice including Arsenal away. Villa need to lose by only one goal or Stoke have to beat us by even more (lol) and Sunderland need to get something at Spurs away. This is all looking very much like 0% chance to me
Do you do the lottery? Do you know what the odds on winning the jackpot are? "Impossible", in all reality. Strangely enough, people actually DO win it!
As for the cricket analogy; of course there isn't a 0% chance of scoring 6s from every ball. Astronomically unlikely, granted, but not 0%.
I agree that, in my opinion, we will not lose by 12 more goals than Villa do, but.........
Let's just face it - If Wigan fail to beat Arsenal tomorrow night, they're down. So all of the above chat will be irrelevant.
If they loose, everybody above them will be mathematically safe.
If they draw, everybody above them will be mathematically safe except Sunderland - but they'll be practicably safe because of a vastly superior goal difference.
I predict it will be all over after tomorrow night. It's a massive match for Arsenal as well as Wigan because they're desperate for a top 4 finish and a Champions League place. I'm sorry, the cup final might have been a magic moment for the Lactics, but I just can't see it happening again at the Emirates.
If they loose, everybody above them will be mathematically safe.
If they draw, everybody above them will be mathematically safe except Sunderland - but they'll be practicably safe because of a vastly superior goal difference.
I predict it will be all over after tomorrow night. It's a massive match for Arsenal as well as Wigan because they're desperate for a top 4 finish and a Champions League place. I'm sorry, the cup final might have been a magic moment for the Lactics, but I just can't see it happening again at the Emirates.
No neither can I, but they have a far greater chance of winning than say... Stoke scoring 12 or 13 goals without reply at St Mary's.
Dear Stoke,
Might I suggest that you do not win your next game thirteen-nil.
Thanks,
Saints Fans.
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Right, that's that sorted then.
Might I suggest that you do not win your next game thirteen-nil.
Thanks,
Saints Fans.
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Right, that's that sorted then.
You don't seem to have taken on board that in this case Stoke won't even try to win 12-0, 13-0+ nor will a team try to hit each ball for 6 in an international. That makes the chances 0% straight away without the added details.