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Southern Adam said:
@Prehab26 had heard there'd be some sort of news yesterday, which didn't materialise. And has hinted this morning that something may happen today "wait by you bed" (I don't fully understand that saying mind!)

That's not to say any of it is about the takeover. It might be, or it might just be manager? And it might not happen at all if things don't go to plan.

I'd be really surprised if nothing at all happened today, even if that was just another strong rumour / piece coming from the media.
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Southern Adam said:
@Prehab26 had heard there'd be some sort of news yesterday, which didn't materialise. And has hinted this morning that something may happen today "wait by you bed" (I don't fully understand that saying mind!)

That's not to say any of it is about the takeover. It might be, or it might just be manager? And it might not happen at all if things don't go to plan.

I'd be really surprised if nothing at all happened today, even if that was just another strong rumour / piece coming from the media.
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ok
 
Southern Adam said:
@Prehab26 had heard there'd be some sort of news yesterday, which didn't materialise. And has hinted this morning that something may happen today "wait by you bed" (I don't fully understand that saying mind!)

That's not to say any of it is about the takeover. It might be, or it might just be manager? And it might not happen at all if things don't go to plan.

I'd be really surprised if nothing at all happened today, even if that was just another strong rumour / piece coming from the media.
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NCO shouts stand by your beds, officer commanding or higher ( sometimes platoon / troop SGT) enters room with troop NCOs, room comes to attention and officer inspects the troops. In the training regime this usually involves lots of kit getting thrown out of windows etc, miscreants doing lots of press ups and shuttle sprints up and down the corridors. Basically hours of attention to detail destroyed in minutes. All in the name of character building.
 
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Surely we need to forget getting a manager that will struggle in the championship if they succeed in getting us promoted. In my opinion we need someone who can not only get us out of this league but can grab the whole of the club by the neck and give it a huge shake up. They need to address everything from recruitment, youth policy, AOL, through to fitness and mentality and tactics of all our players who seem to be lacking in all departments. Yes we must get out of this league but we must make sure we wont come crashing back down again.
 
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Magnus said:
It’s sad mate, KLD has the richest mother in the world a step dad who Runs a company with investment worth 7trillion
A family company that’s is 45% owned by a wealth found worth 800b
But Donald and cm from Oxford are going to be calling the shots
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Magnus said:
We all don’t like Donald and cm the only way the would fully go is if Someone offered them the money the would make if we were in the champ/ prem, no one is going to do that,

so the only way for Donald and cm to make profit is for are club to be successful, so even though I can’t stand them, I hope the make the profit the want because it’s means are club is back where it belongs
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I honestly hate the thought of him making a profit out of us after what has gone on, but my love for the club far outweighs my hatred for Donald
 
DEREK ROY HENDERSON said:
Surely we need to forget getting a manager that will struggle in the championship if they succeed in getting us promoted. In my opinion we need someone who can not only get us out of this league but can grab the whole of the club by the neck and give it a huge shake up. They need to address everything from recruitment, youth policy, AOL, through to fitness and mentality and tactics of all our players who seem to be lacking in all departments. Yes we must get out of this league but we must make sure we wont come crashing back down again.
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In my view, anybody capable of getting us out of this league, is capable of keeping us in the next. If they can get this lot sorted, then they will have shown they can make it work.

However, if they don't, we can replace them then. I don't buy into this theory that we need to find the golden bullet like Sheffield Utd did with WIlder or Bournemouth did with Howe. Neither of those clubs appointed those managers thinking "great, they're going to take us all the way". They appointed them thinking they were the best manager for the time.

Clearly our long term planning has been ****. But that doesn't mean having a long term plan guarantees success. It's a bit of a misnoma - for every Wilder and Howe there are 20 clubs that have tried similar and its gone to **** and they've had to start again.

In summary - we need to focus on the hole we are in, without doing anything that takes our eye of the future. We need to keep our eye on the next stage but not to the extent we forget what we need to do now.
 
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Southern Adam said:
Just to clear last few posts up for people confused, I’ll draw one of my entity ownership things I have to do for work (I work in M&A for a big 4)

note - this simplifies things as I believe the individual shareholdings are actually by separate companies that the individuals hold 100% ownership of.

Sunderland AFC
V
100% owned by Madrox
V
80% owned by Newco
c15% owned by S Donald
c5% owned by Methven


Newco
v
50% owned by Sartori
50% owned by KLD
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Thanks for that. Makes it clear.
 
DEREK ROY HENDERSON said:
Surely we need to forget getting a manager that will struggle in the championship if they succeed in getting us promoted. In my opinion we need someone who can not only get us out of this league but can grab the whole of the club by the neck and give it a huge shake up. They need to address everything from recruitment, youth policy, AOL, through to fitness and mentality and tactics of all our players who seem to be lacking in all departments. Yes we must get out of this league but we must make sure we wont come crashing back down again.
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I'd say most of that is the job of the sporting director, if we do go with that model.
 
Southern Adam said:
In my view, anybody capable of getting us out of this league, is capable of keeping us in the next. If they can get this lot sorted, then they will have shown they can make it work.

However, if they don't, we can replace them then. I don't buy into this theory that we need to find the golden bullet like Sheffield Utd did with WIlder or Bournemouth did with Howe. Neither of those clubs appointed those managers thinking "great, they're going to take us all the way". They appointed them thinking they were the best manager for the time.

Clearly our long term planning has been ****. But that doesn't mean having a long term plan guarantees success. It's a bit of a misnoma - for every Wilder and Howe there are 20 clubs that have tried similar and its gone to **** and they've had to start again.

In summary - we need to focus on the hole we are in, without doing anything that takes our eye of the future. We need to keep our eye on the next stage but not to the extent we forget what we need to do now.
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But surely that is where we've been going wrong for years - planning for the short term! Yes, someone with a bit of nous should be able to get this team out of league 1 but by planning on getting someone in who might just get us promoted all the way to the prem is a better option than someone who can just get us promoted to the championship and keep us there - which in itself is not that bad an option as it stands at the minute! But wouldn't it be better (and probably cheaper) to get someone in to get us all the way than to say thanks and here's your P45 and start again?
 
Essayyeffcee said:
But surely that is where we've been going wrong for years - planning for the short term! Yes, someone with a bit of nous should be able to get this team out of league 1 but by planning on getting someone in who might just get us promoted all the way to the prem is a better option than someone who can just get us promoted to the championship and keep us there - which in itself is not that bad an option as it stands at the minute! But wouldn't it be better (and probably cheaper) to get someone in to get us all the way than to say thanks and here's your P45 and start again?
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absolutely - but frankly Cowley or Cook are as likely to take us all the way as Poyet is. Nobody has ever taken a team from bottom to top and already been somebody that is able to be identified as a "premier league manager" at the beginning. When Wilder and Howe went to Sheffield Utd and Bournemouth they weren't immediately seen as people that could take them all the way - they just did.
 
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Southern Adam said:
absolutely - but frankly Cowley or Cook are as likely to take us all the way as Poyet is. Nobody has ever taken a team from bottom to top and already been somebody that is able to be identified as a "premier league manager" at the beginning. When Wilder and Howe went to Sheffield Utd and Bournemouth they weren't immediately seen as people that could take them all the way - they just did.
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True but as its been mentioned before on here with this takeover and the club and the fans as low as anything at the minute - wouldn't it be better to go for a manager who has more of a chance to get us up and then be backed to try and go again or at least be up there challenging. I feel that the next appointment (as well as the appointment of the sporting director if we're going in that direction) HAS to be someone that would ignite the imagination of the fans to start to get the club jumping again and get some momentum going. If that happens then the fans will back it to the rafters
 
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