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Lewberry Pie said:
The director of football is the most important appointment, if we do get the Cowley's in and it doesn't work then that's life, what the dof should be doing in the meantime is building the club from scratch again.
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It’s a very important appointment I agree, but for me the next manager is even more important for where we are right now, we must improve dramatically and start picking up points straight away or it’s another year in division 3 which can’t be allowed to happen.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
It's like when you hear a noise downstairs mate.

You look at what's at the side of your bed and consider your pepper spray or extendable cosh.

Both will do the job but in entirely different ways.

If we'd been in the close season the process would be much easier but, if we're to rescue this season we need a quick fix with whoever's available.

The alternative is to ignore this season and start laying foundations.

That's my opinion, based on guesswork btw.
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Did that news break last night that you hoped someone else leaked?
 
SAFC2403 said:
Just seen on Twitter just there. The club are investigating Cooks son who plays for U18s after he called the club hierarchy cowards. There an article by Craig Hope in the Daily Mail.

Just when you think they can’t sink any lower they go and do it again !
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I ****ing despise the pair of them. It’s the exact reason why I’m not happy about them retaining any kind of stake in the club. Wish they’d both **** off and never darken our doors again
 
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6inarow said:
People are getting confused of the share allocation, Madrox own 100% of Sunderland, SD owns 74% of Madrox, Sartori owns 20% of Madrox and CM owns 6% of Madrox.

The new (alleged) share distribution of Madrox is going to be, SD with 15% of Madrox, CM with 5% of Madrox and (a new consortium with a new holding company) with 80% share of Madrox. The new consortium company will have a 50% share holding split between Sartori and KLD

Madrox will still own 100% of Sunderland
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So Sartori and KLD would each own 50% of a company which owns 80% of a company which owns 100% of Sunderland?
 
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Huds0n said:
So Sartori and KLD would each own 50% of a company which owns 80% of a company which owns 100% of Sunderland?
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What would happen I believe

If it’s set up like this

Sartori and KLD will hold 100% in a new company that’s holds 80% of Sunderland/ Madrox, this will help them bring new share holders on board with out the input of Donald or CM
 
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Magnus said:
What would happen I believe

If it’s set up like this

Sartori and KLD will hold 100% in a new company that’s holds 80% of Sunderland/ Madrox, this will help them bring new share holders on board with out the input of Donald or CM
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Would it be fair to say that the takeover is a lot like the one completed in 2018?
‘Nee’ owners coming in with the promise of attracting further investment?
 
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Magnus said:
What would happen I believe

If it’s set up like this

Sartori and KLD will hold 100% in a new company that’s holds 80% of Sunderland/ Madrox, this will help them bring new share holders on board with out the input of Donald or CM
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Very easy and well put,
 
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John 11:35 said:
Part 2.


Want to know what he achieved at Lincoln in just over three seasons?


** The first manager to win three trophies in the club's history (actually achieved in three successive seasons) and the first to win three different titles

** The first manager to take City up two tiers in the club’s history

** The first manager to win the championship of two different divisions

** The first manager to win two promotions without a relegation between

** Points per game of 1.90 (an average of 87 per season)

** Win percentage of 55%

** National League CHAMPIONS (at the first attempt)

** EFL Trophy WINNERS (at the first attempt)

** League Two play-offs (at the first attempt)

** League Two CHAMPIONS (at the second attempt)

** The first Football League title for 43 years

** The first non-league club to reach the quarter-final of the FA Cup for 103 years and the first in the modern age (i.e. since 1925)

** The first FA Cup victory in the club's history over a side from three divisions higher (Ipswich); then repeated the feat eleven days later (Brighton)

** The first FA Cup victory in the club's history over a side from four divisions higher, and away from home (Burnley)

** Club record run in the FA Cup (quarter-final)

** Club record run in the FA Trophy (semi-final)

** Club record run in the EFL Trophy (won)

** £2.5 million earned from a single cup run

** The club’s first ever visit to Wembley (won)

** Club record for Football League games unbeaten (19)

** Club record for points in a season (99)

** Club record for wins in a season (40)

** Club record for away wins in a season (19)

** Club record for points away from home in a season (44)

** Club record for goals scored away from home in a season (51)

** Joint club record for away wins in a season in the league (13)

** Club record for games played in a season (61)

** The first manager to win at least 25 games in each of three successive seasons

** Club record for the most cup ties played in a season (15)

** Joint club record for the number of goals scored in cup ties in a season (26)

** Club record for the number of FA Cup ties in a season (9)

** Club record for the number of EFL Trophy games played in a season (8)

** Club record for the number of FA Trophy ties in a season (6)

** Club record for the number of matches shown live on television in a season (12)

** Goals scored in 26 successive league games, the best scoring run for 67 years

** Average attendance up from 2,594 to 9,000, the highest since 1959-60

** 60 successive league gates over 5,000

** 56 successive league gates over 6,000

** 53 successive league gates over 7,000

** 6,300 season ticket holders

** The highest following to an away game ever (est. 30,000)

** The highest away following to an FA Cup tie in 41 years and possibly ever (8,942)

** The highest away following to a league match this century (5,556)

** The second highest attendance ever to watch a Lincoln City match (59,454)

** Top of the third tier for the first time in 36 years, at which point he left for Huddersfield.


Danny Cowley's record at Lincoln (league games only): P145 W77 D40 L28 F233 A138 Pts271


Many of these numbers may be small compared with Sunderland, but for Lincoln they are remarkable. Remember, Lincoln was a club that was practically dead, and in that first season he was working with a playing budget (estimated at £500,000) that was smaller than his predecessor had in finishing 13th the season before. What also jumps out from his entire managerial record is that he achieved success at Concord, Braintree and Lincoln pretty much instantly.


I have to say, I am surprised by some of the names linked with Sunderland. I appreciate that Gus Poyet is a hero on Wearside, but he has been out of English football for a long time and his record since leaving has been erratic. Furthermore, what does he know about League One, its clubs, players or tactics? He would have to learn extremely quickly, and would have a very restricted budget compared with 2013. Paul Ince is a hilarious suggestion, as is Nigel Adkins (yesterday's men). Most of the names on the bookmakers' listings should be discounted immediately, a couple of exceptions being Paul Cook and…Danny Cowley. Cynics suggest that Cook only succeeds when he has a big budget (Chesterfield, Portsmouth and Wigan, two of whom have since collapsed financially), but what about Cowley? Is he a viable appointment for Sunderland? That is a tough question, of course.


Despite the way it ended, I believe Danny did a great job at Huddersfield. They had one point from six games after relegation when he arrived, and he was faced with creating survival from a vastly reduced budget and a squad of sullen and sulking Premier League failures. His 13 wins and 11 draws from 39 games kept them in the Championship against the odds – that works out at 59 points over a full season, which would have seen them finish comfortably in mid-table. That is some achievement against the backdrop he inherited.


It was strange that some Huddersfield fans complained about the style of play when his main objective was to keep them up. Danny was possibly unlucky at Huddersfield, but many of us believed he had chosen the wrong club when he joined them. We were right, the chairman allegedly wanted to pick the team and there is no way Danny would stand for interference from anyone. Danny likes to run the show as a manager (with Nicky, of course), so the existence of a director of football at Sunderland could be a problem.


Huddersfield proved to be a false start for him in the top two divisions, but the next club to employ him – provided it is the right club this time – will be making a cracking appointment. The noises coming from Ipswich suggest that Paul Lambert may be on his way out shortly, and the Cowleys have been linked with them for a couple of years. Interestingly, the vibes from Ipswich supporters on TWTD are far more positive than those on RTG, perhaps because Lincoln knocked Ipswich out of the FA Cup in 2017 as a non-league club. Ipswich supporters on the whole would welcome him with open arms.


Ironically, his appointment by either club could prove bad news for Lincoln's own promotion push.


Finally, Sunderland is one of England's great clubs and should not be in its third division.


Good luck with the appointment whoever it is, and for the season
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Very good read that mate, thanks for the info.
 
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Turtle said:
Would it be fair to say that the takeover is a lot like the one completed in 2018?
‘Nee’ owners coming in with the promise of attracting further investment?
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No, this is a lot different, the money alone behind us makes us the richest we’ve ever been in are history but this time with people who have big family’s and football experience behind them, I have a mate who’s about 24, could talk your ears off about football age is just a number
 
Smug in Boots said:
I couldn't agree more mate.
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Boils my piss how they’re clinging on. I realise they’re going to have little to no input in things, especially Donald. Let Methven have his 5p worth in a behind the scenes role, but I hope we never have to see or hear from either of them again.
 
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