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young2077 said:
Him doing so well at West Ham makes the job he did here even worse. If it turned out he was finished fair enough but he wasn't something wasn't right when he arrived and he gave up.
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That’s my point. He saw the number of players we needed with zero notice and the budget Short gave him and thought ‘no chance’. Could have done a better job with what he had certainly but Short was the biggest issue.
 
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Pure River Slut said:
That’s my point. He saw the number of players we needed with zero notice and the budget Short gave him and thought ‘no chance’. Could have done a better job with what he had certainly but Short was the biggest issue.
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Sure the budget was limited but he signed an absolute nobody in Djilobodji for £8m…his transfers were unforgivable.

A random person off the street could have signed better players for less.
 
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Daz said:
Sure the budget was limited but he signed an absolute nobody in Djilobodji for £8m…his transfers were unforgivable.

A random person off the street could have signed better players for less.
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Wasn’t it confirmed Djilibodji was on the Allardyce list ? I think he was a McKay player like all of backhand Sam’s.
Not saying he did well with players like but it fella like him and us were shafted by Short. And Allardyce to be fair .
 
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Pure River Slut said:
Wasn’t it confirmed Djilibodji was on the Allardyce list ? I think he was a McKay player like all of backhand Sam’s.
Not saying he did well with players like but it fella like him and us were shafted by Short. And Allardyce to be fair .
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I'm pretty sure we were in for him before he signed for Chelsea.

Ndong was being scouted under BSA.
 
Pure River Slut said:
Wasn’t it confirmed Djilibodji was on the Allardyce list ? I think he was a McKay player like all of backhand Sam’s.
Not saying he did well with players like but it fella like him and us were shafted by Short. And Allardyce to be fair .
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Dodgy-bodgy was scouted by Allardyce, along with Ndong, but both were rejected by Allardyce. Ndong because he was massively over priced and Dodgy-bodgy supposedly had others scouted ahead of him as better options. Regardless, spunking about £22 million on those two was crazy. The fact we could have got M'vila for £5million instead of £13.6million for Ndong is ridiculous. For someone who'd been in the game as long as he had by then, you'd think he'd have enough contacts of his own to scout players instead of relying on his predecessor's cast offs. And that's not considering how he miss managed the players already there, like ruining Kirchoff.

However it was a complaint for a while by Evertonians that Moyes wasn't that good with transfers, some of them calling him "dithering Dave". He bought a few duds there, but generally got away with it by signing the likes of Cahill, Baines and Jagielka.

He might have been dealt a bad hand while he was here, but he played it even more badly.
 
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Peterleeyacker said:
Maybe they are better coaches and deliver AN's instructions better. We'll have all worked under poor supervisor's before. Hopefully it's the right call.
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It might be the right call, it might be the wrong call but you've got to give people a chance before writing them off. People are falling over themselves to criticise, its ridiculous.
 
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Peterleeyacker said:
Maybe they are better coaches and deliver AN's instructions better. We'll have all worked under poor supervisor's before. Hopefully it's the right call.
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yeah I suppose it can be spun a number of ways. A small concern it’s possible we could be looking to cut costs but also it could be a positive move.
 
smithy in nl said:
What’s wrong with cutting costs like? Do people just want us spunking money all over the shop again?
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There is an issue amongst football fans in general who look at the vast amounts of money paid for bog standard players since The Premier league era began and they equate the amount of money spent to the ambitions of the club. Well we spent a fortune on the likes of Rodwell and look where that got us.
Smart thinking, shrewd acquisitions and not paying overinflated wages/fees to people who offer no improvement is exactly what we should be doing. When an opportunity arises to improve things then you should pay the right price to do so. It’s about getting a balance but supporters just want to see millions flooding out of the club. They’ll never learn
 
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samwise_new said:
Can we put this to bed now lads, please?

i do not know any of you on here, or RTG now for that matter so i am unlikely to 'take sides' in any of these discussions.

first and foremost, i have absolutely no proof that ANYONE 'stole' from the club, using my own, limited intellect i can presume with confidence that they both made a big mistake buying the club and expecting instant promotion, it was a gamble that did not come off which meant they had to come clean about not being able to fund the club if it did get promoted (basically they were going to struggle even in league 1) and in all honesty it is possibly a gamble that many would take a chance on as the rewards could have been substantial...they probably ended up with no choice but to sell anything that was not nailed down, that does not excuse them mind.

secondly i am in no way privvy to the goings on at boardroom level, most of which i guess will be very private indeed, therefore i have no clue about any other deals Short might have had on the table and i have no idea how long he would have held on, from common knowledge the club were very close to administration when them two popped up...did they 'save the club?' i again have no clue but it must have been a close call so i guess that one comes down to how you wish to view it.

next and i am again using only what i know, KLD and his family have had their fingers in football business for a long time and he was brought up with all the goings on, he has a damn fine (most likely very expensive) team behind him that i feel sure would have gone through the accounts and all else with a fine toothcomb and had there been any irregularities i am sure we would have heard about them and them two would not have been around long enough to sell shares or indeed still be 'allowed' to keep a few, there again, if anything was found to be 'not quite right' then they may have been offered a lower deal to p1ss off and never return basically but the fact that one still has shares makes me think that part is unlikely.

i am, of course, open to any and all private messaging that can show me solid proof of any wrong doings as i would glady join in the 'slagging off brigade' on them two or any proof to show it is all above board, rather than what we have now which is basically hearsay...but then, almost all of this is just hearsay anyway, innit?
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Thank you @samwise_new a calm assessment of the situation as l would see it.

@LD19SAFC and @TopCat_SMB pleased do not make allegations unless you have substantial proof and if you have proof take it to the proper authorities and let them deal with it.
 
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