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I agree with some others that he might be a better winger, he's clearly an outstanding footballer I don't know how the hell he was playing in the lower divisions of Scotland and he's skipping past international superstars without a care in the world.

Having said that I don't get carried away any more, Brady use to look incredibly exciting as did Aluko and where are they know. Consistency will be the measure for Robertson but so far he looks a cut above.
 
Jelavic, etc have to bust a gut to get into the six yard box every time Robertson has the ball in a forward area. There should be a strong expectation that the ball will come fizzing in. Get on the end of it!
 
Mrcento said:
Dundee United fan here. Be prepared for some gushing praise for Andy here!!

Delighted how Andy is doing for you, you lads got a steal at 3million, but i guess you know that already! (i was one of the United fans calling for us to hold out for 5 million from somebody!) Been keeping an eye on your games to see how he has done and tbh, it's exactly as expected and exactly as he did for us. The lad is an absolute phenomenon. The first time i saw him, i said "he'll be at a top 4-5 epl side in 2 years" and folk laughed, 2 months later pretty much everybody was saying it.

Not sure how much you all know about him, but it's not just his ability that is impressive, it's his rise. 18 months ago he was playing as an amateur in the lowest "pro" league in Scotland, playing every week against postmen and plumbers... and The Rangers, Who could easily have signed him for free at any point and astonishingly saw him play in person against them 4 times and missed him... which says all you need to know about their judgment on players!

To come straight to the SPL as a prospect and immediately look too good was phenomenal, to break into the Scotland team in 9 months of full time football and look too good for that too was incredible. Now he has only 1 year of full time football under his belt and is impressing in the EPL against players on 50-60k upwards per week. His potential is absolutely unreal and his attitude is tremendous to go along with it.

He's not only the best young defender i've seen at United, he's the best young defender i've ever seen all things considered.

I don't mean this in any way disrespectful to Hull City, but he won't be at Hull long. He's every bit as good as Shaw (and then some IMO, attitude is spot on for starters.), if he'd been playing in the Championship or L1 last year, he'd have already been worth 10 million. When he goes, if he continues this level, stays injury free and develops a little more i expect you'll get 15+ easy for him tbh. Having seen the likes of McCarthy (who everton payed 12 million for) when he was young, i can confidently say Robertson is better.

All the best for the season! and when he goes, i hope it is for Shaw money (We have a tasty sell on clause too ;) )
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The only thing I would say is he tires after 65/70 minutes - noticeably. So, to be effective in the role he is playing, he needs to be able to do it for the full 90. He also needs to concentrate fully for the time he's on the pitch, he does have a mistake in him.

But, iron out those errors and I'm sure he will move on. He's the best prospect I have seen come out of Scotland in a while. He's got a great cross on him too.
 
He is also part of a defence that isn't working.

Just to add some balance to the argument.
 
Mrcento said:
Dundee United fan here. Be prepared for some gushing praise for Andy here!!

Delighted how Andy is doing for you, you lads got a steal at 3million, but i guess you know that already! (i was one of the United fans calling for us to hold out for 5 million from somebody!) Been keeping an eye on your games to see how he has done and tbh, it's exactly as expected and exactly as he did for us. The lad is an absolute phenomenon. The first time i saw him, i said "he'll be at a top 4-5 epl side in 2 years" and folk laughed, 2 months later pretty much everybody was saying it.

Not sure how much you all know about him, but it's not just his ability that is impressive, it's his rise. 18 months ago he was playing as an amateur in the lowest "pro" league in Scotland, playing every week against postmen and plumbers... and The Rangers, Who could easily have signed him for free at any point and astonishingly saw him play in person against them 4 times and missed him... which says all you need to know about their judgment on players!

To come straight to the SPL as a prospect and immediately look too good was phenomenal, to break into the Scotland team in 9 months of full time football and look too good for that too was incredible. Now he has only 1 year of full time football under his belt and is impressing in the EPL against players on 50-60k upwards per week. His potential is absolutely unreal and his attitude is tremendous to go along with it.

He's not only the best young defender i've seen at United, he's the best young defender i've ever seen all things considered.

I don't mean this in any way disrespectful to Hull City, but he won't be at Hull long. He's every bit as good as Shaw (and then some IMO, attitude is spot on for starters.), if he'd been playing in the Championship or L1 last year, he'd have already been worth 10 million. When he goes, if he continues this level, stays injury free and develops a little more i expect you'll get 15+ easy for him tbh. Having seen the likes of McCarthy (who everton payed 12 million for) when he was young, i can confidently say Robertson is better.

All the best for the season! and when he goes, i hope it is for Shaw money (We have a tasty sell on clause too ;) )
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I said to my mate yesterday after he skipped by Zabaletta like he wasn't there, that in about 2 years time he'd be off to a top 6 club for about £16m.

He'll only get better, IMO, and we'll have a massive fight on our hands keeping him.
 
Mr. Shoes said:
He is also part of a defence that isn't working.

Just to add some balance to the argument.
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I rate him. I really do.

He had the potential to become our best ever player.


But that's where we are with him at the moment.

Potential.

He still has a lot to learn. A work in progress. It may yet turn to not a lot.



At the moment I don't think that he needs the pressure of everyone telling him he's brilliant.


Just let him get 50 Premier League games under his belt.
 
I thought defensively we looked ok yesterday. Anyone can concede 4 to Man City.

Dawson put in a couple of big challenges, which I enjoyed immensely.
 
I didn't comment on his effort not was my post a direct criticism.

I just said we are leaking goals and was not implying more. Personally, I think he is fantastic as an attacker.
 
Everytime he makes one of his runs down the wing it always looks like something is going to happen for us in a positive sense. (PS Mr. Shoes , I wasn't having a dig at you)
 
I find it so odd we have two excellent wing backs but don't play wing backs. We were screaming out for someone to do what Elmo does, now we have him we don't play the system.
 
kccircle said:
I find it so odd we have two excellent wing backs but don't play wing backs. We were screaming out for someone to do what Elmo does, now we have him we don't play the system.
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Definitely this ^ for me. We eventually find/acquire the obvious balance that we were crying out for at left wingback in Robo, then, when we have, we decide to drop/rest Chezzy, who would undoubtedly assist in giving both wing backs licence to bomb forward, and revert to 442. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.
 
Id like to see the wing back formation against Palace. Chester, Dawson, Davies at the back, Elmo & Robbo as the wing backs, midfield 3 of Thudd, Diame & Ramirez (i think livermore has been poor so far) then up top big Jela & Hernandez.

The problem then, if it is a problem... is bringing Ben Arfa on, or starting him in that wing back formation.. he's not a wing back at all... where do you play him?
 
Party Hull! said:
I thought defensively we looked ok yesterday. Anyone can concede 4 to Man City.

Dawson put in a couple of big challenges, which I enjoyed immensely.
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Just felt all week that we needed to revert to a 3 at the back to release Robertson and Elmo but also Chester's tackling ability might have reduced the number of chances they created.
 
hullborn said:
Id like to see the wing back formation against Palace. Chester, Dawson, Davies at the back, Elmo & Robbo as the wing backs, midfield 3 of Thudd, Diame & Ramirez (i think livermore has been poor so far) then up top big Jela & Hernandez.

The problem then, if it is a problem... is bringing Ben Arfa on, or starting him in that wing back formation.. he's not a wing back at all... where do you play him?
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I guess you either play him behind a lone striker or as the advanced one of the central 3.
 
hullborn said:
Id like to see the wing back formation against Palace. Chester, Dawson, Davies at the back, Elmo & Robbo as the wing backs, midfield 3 of Thudd, Diame & Ramirez (i think livermore has been poor so far) then up top big Jela & Hernandez.

The problem then, if it is a problem... is bringing Ben Arfa on, or starting him in that wing back formation.. he's not a wing back at all... where do you play him?
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It's a squad game - I'd rotate Ben Arfa and Hernandez up top alongside Jelavic. Bringing one of those on against tired legs could cause problems.

I'm not sure about Ramirez and Ben Arfa in the side at the same time too - neither are 'tacklers' and think it could be too much 'luxury' in one team. Tough one for Brucie.
 
hullborn said:
Id like to see the wing back formation against Palace. Chester, Dawson, Davies at the back, Elmo & Robbo as the wing backs, midfield 3 of Thudd, Diame & Ramirez (i think livermore has been poor so far) then up top big Jela & Hernandez.

The problem then, if it is a problem... is bringing Ben Arfa on, or starting him in that wing back formation.. he's not a wing back at all... where do you play him?
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Ben Arfa and Ramirez would both be the 1 in a free role behind the strikers in a 3-4-1-2
 
Mr. Shoes said:
He is also part of a defence that isn't working.

Just to add some balance to the argument.
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I think he's left too exposed - it was noticeable yesterday how narrow we were defending down the left, once we got to 2 2 and they started pushing on a bit more I'd have brought on either Brady or Chester and gone with a proper 442 or 352.
 
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