Match Day Thread QPR vs Nottingham Forest

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sheffordqpr said:
Talking to fellow Rs before kick off yesterday it was widely agreed that Ollie put out the best team we had available and apart from Smyth for Washington, I THINK I am right in saying that it was the same side that won against Bolton. That being the case surely MOST of the blame must be with the players? In the tweet he said that we had practiced successfully on Friday and failed to take those lessons on to the pitch yesterday., How can that be Ollies fault? As for people bemoaning the fact that Ollie shouldn't blame the players publicly (it was rather hinted at than direct IMO), why shouldn't he? All of us that were there yesterday know we were crap. Why should the manager hide the fact? As you know I was all in favour of Ollie becoming manager. My views have changed and think he will go at the end of a very poor season, however he cannot be blamed for everything. A little balance is required. Nuff said.
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I agree. Players are getting away lightly for me, if they can't put into practice what they work on in training what more can the manager do? They should take some responsibility. There's an interesting thread on Dave Mac's Twitter page today about tactics and formation, in essence its suggesting be careful what you wish for and that most QPR managers in the last 20 years have largely avoided fans wishes for knee jerk formation changes because it doesn't go well.
 
bobmid said:
I think there are a few misconceptions in this post. 'We had practised successfully'........well obviously not. BUT the biggest problem I see with his tweet/quote is the following: I presume he meant we were practising individual and team tactics to stop Forest doing certain things. Do Forest do these things we were practising for against everyone? How can you coach tactics for scenarios that have not yet been played out? Just because they did something a particular way in one game doesn't mean they do it every game. Untold scenarios can't be coached!!! Players have to use initiative rather than some robotic set up that might come undone when a scenario doesn't pan out the way you practise for. More important in my eyes is the facination from Holloway of prioritising trying to always stop the opposition above how we actually play. Every loss is followed by 'that's the worst since I've been here'. Of course he will blame the players who in turn will eventually get fed up of him and the dressing room goes. We as fans (many anyway) put the blame on him and rightly so in my eyes. He Would be out of his depth in a rain puddle!!
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Perhaps they didn't use their initiative. They certainly didn't from where I was sitting. How do you you know we didn't practice successfully?. Ollie seems to think we did, but didn't carry what we learned in to the pitch. All I am saying is yes, Ollie is not the best for us going forward, but just because he isn't he is not entirely to blame.
 
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sheffordqpr said:
Perhaps they didn't use their initiative. They certainly didn't from where I was sitting. How do you you know we didn't practice successfully?. Ollie seems to think we did, but didn't carry what we learned in to the pitch. All I am saying is yes, Ollie is not the best for us going forward, but just because he isn't he is not entirely to blame.
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I'm presuming he meant practising for when Forest were in possession, i may be wrong but that's what it sounds like. How do you practise for that when you don't know who will be in possesion at that precise moment your 'practise scenario' or what posiion on the pitch they will be or what options will be available or taking into account any mis placed passes/deflections etc. Like I said it's 'robotic coaching' , totally out of date in the modern game.
 
I blame it largely on luongo being off the pace in the middle
He looked ill and very slow
The whole drive and tackle got lost
Ollie should have replaced him after 20 mins with manning to see if it. Helped
 
Well, if we in the business of picking out individual players to answer for yesterday's debacle...
Onuoha - one of those games that he has all too often. His first touch and passing is dire and you just know he is going to gift several chances.
Luongo - I am genuinely coming to the conclusion that he simply doesn't like the cold weather. Way off the pace.
Wszołek - After a promising start he has been very much found out this season. We were crying out for good crosses but as usual only about 1 in 4 of his attempts actually makes it into the box and far fewer gets past the first defender.
Scowen - looked determined to get sent off. Couldn't even manage that.

On a brighter note Eze looked lively when he came on and showed the kind of skillful touches that the rest of the squad can only dream about. But quite why Furlong or Manning weren't also given a chance given the problems discussed above only IH will know. The much vaunted focus on youth seems extremely limited from where I sit.
 
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From many of the above posts it's clear that many of the weaknesses we have known about all season are still prominent. Add that to a manager who appears very inflexible in his approach to team selection, tactics and formations and it is clear to see why no progress is being made. Ask yourselves which players have improved during Ollie's 15 months in charge? Then ask how many players appear to be going backwards career-wise? The January window was very telling, no offers for players we thought would have been on their way.

The malaise that has afflicted our club for so long appears just as prevalent as ever, only when a manager is appointed who has a clear vision of how a club should be run from top to bottom will we make progress. Money is not the answer although it helps, it is the right set-up that is geared to improving all our players and playing the game the right way. So far everything TF has done since he bought the club has been papering over the cracks and, frankly, I don't envisage any great change coming soon...
 
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I’ll stick with the team through thick and thin and will always renew my season ticket.
I just want to see some progress and since Ollie came back we seem to be getting worse every season until we will eventually go down.
 
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Sutfol said:
I’ll stick with the team through thick and thin and will always renew my season ticket.
I just want to see some progress and since Ollie came back we seem to be getting worse every season until we will eventually go down.
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Good skills and we haven’t gone down yet
Better still we may stay up
Onwards Soldier of QPR
 
qprbeth said:
Me too..... Wherever!

I realised a while ago I have no choice.



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Credit where credit is due. My hat goes off to you. I haven't travelled away for a while and won't until the Muppet buggers off back to crap tv punditry. Can watch better football down the park
 
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