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Match Day Thread QPR vs Nottingham Forest
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And that’s where we are as a club
Most on here expected or predicted we would just stay up given the club’s state
Still most are looking for an escape goat after each loss how ever bad
Looking at numbers of goals etc is silly at this stage. It’s three points dropped that’s all
The score line to me reflected very little of that mad game in a division where anything can happen. Yesterday it did throughout the league.
We are a little club with piss poor management yet our fan base can’t have the decency to even attempt to accept that.
Look at the clubs in this league most are bigger. We swallowed a silly dream from a very silly businessman who is the real culprit of failure. How do you even think we deserve a proper manager and players
Thankfully we still have a core of people with pride and we are just ticking over on that therefore I do not align with clever armchair supporters like this twitter feed
Moaning has become the norm now and even mild success of winning a game there is muted celebrations. Sorry but it’s understandable that failure affects a fan base it’s not affecting me as it should make us stronger imo
2-5 so what Villa next away and I am respecting our fans already who will travel to support the club. Low times for sure but even if could spend and had money we aren’t allowed to because of our recent history. If you had a set of fans like we seem to have now would you continue to try and pour money in if you could? We are a little club on one broken leg that also has cancer ... it’s not fair it’s not our fault we want to win like league 2 teams are ... we want instant success because we are QPR... a club that is now laughed at and inspires teams like Millwall to succeed from what?
Money and the stupid ideas of one man has cost us. Holloway is one of our own he gets my support to keep us up until the next crazy plan is hatched or our future is known.
For a London club in the big city this long term is not good enough but that is not Holloway’s fault. We were ****e well before his arrival ... accept that and start the fight back I say. Hopefully that would mean clearing out the entire club top to bottom especially the fluff media lot who peddle fluff and ****e PR ... that comes from the top from useless business people who’s every other word is guys
About time we returned to QPR should mean
We earned respect from craft when money and success weren’t everything ... there is no business plan for that
Self righteous, self pitying, masochistic, anti achievement, trite, Hallmark greeting card quality bullshit.
If the best reason you can find for supporting your team is some entirely imaginary moral superiority over people who support teams that win things or have a chance of winning things that makes you a self delusional envious fool. And the only way you can maintain your irrelevant, sanctimonious, self serving sense of purity is if we remain **** forever.
In my opinion.
Personally I support QPR because they were my local team when I was growing up and played brilliant football when I first saw them. All the best times were when we were good and did have a chance, however slim, of winning things. I continue supporting because, like your country of birth or your kids, you don’t get to change your team once chosen, it’s a law of nature and a curse. Wives, religions, political allegiances, favourite bands you get to change. But not football teams. It’s genetic, not loyalty.
I would love it, just love it, if we were in Manchester City’s position for a few decades. Of course I would mock the legions of new fans that emerge from nowhere, but I’ve served my time, I deserve something to show for it. Even if I haven’t always ‘actively supported’ my team which is no longer local to me and would feel it to be a potential sign of dementia to be ‘fiercely proud’ of a ****ing shambles.
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It’s genetic, not loyalty.
Unfortunately you are right Stan. I cannot change now. Sad isn't it.
I try and save my sanity by telling myself who would want to support a team like Chelsea or Man City oer Man United, who buy their team the best players and win things.
I would....BUT ONLY IF IT WAS QPR...my sanctimonious morals would be out the window, before I could open it
Unfortunately you are right Stan. I cannot change now. Sad isn't it.
I try and save my sanity by telling myself who would want to support a team like Chelsea or Man City oer Man United, who buy their team the best players and win things.
I would....BUT ONLY IF IT WAS QPR...my sanctimonious morals would be out the window, before I could open it
Which is why we lapped it up when Tony was splashing the cash, without thinking of the long term effect this was going to have on the club.
I went. I and the 10,000 others are entitled to a moan after witnessing that
I think if Holloway was to try something different and not stick to the same failing formation and chose one that fitted the players then we might all be a bit more on his side! Sticking to the same game after game is showing he doesn't have the tactical knowledge to manage at team at this level. You would think if we as fans can see it's not working then someone at the club should be able to as well!!
Some interesting responses there but I feel that perhaps the biggest factor in our demise has been the way football itself has changed in the 50 odd years I have supported the R's. Go back to before the Premier League to the 60s onwards and look at the league tables, Champions were Wolves, Burnley, Ipswich, Spurs, Everton, Leeds, Derby, Forest, Villa. We were 15 minutes from joining that list. Much 'lesser' teams regularly made the top five, there's no chance of that now.
The whole essence of the modern game is money and it is destroying the overall competitiveness of the top division so clubs outside the 'elite' are effectively playing for 7th place and beyond that to finish above 18th place. This season the relegation battle is actually much more compelling than the one-horse race at the top.
I think it's fair to say our football this season in many games has reached a new low in quality with the emphasis on work-rate rather than skill which is pretty unpalatable a lot of the time especially when we get results like yesterday.
As for wishing we were Man City? Not really, they're distorting the game to the extent that when a player like Mane gets an 8 week injury they go and attempt to buy a stop-gap player for £65 million and disrupt an opponent's season with arrogant impunity. I sincerely hope Wenger can get a tune out of his team today to do a Wigan on the rich bastards.
Me? I'll continue to support my currently sh*t team through thick and thin, just like I did in 2000 when the buckets were being passed round. Somehow, that period in our history was so much more rewarding as a supporter as we came back from the brink and eventually got up that wonderful day at Hillsborough. We're living on scraps now but every now and then we get memories that just make our support worthwhile. When you have a great win it seems so much better, remember the OBZ moment, those are few and far between but oh so sweet.
Eventually, we will get a manager that actually can build a footballing team we can be proud of, hopefully sooner than later...
The whole essence of the modern game is money and it is destroying the overall competitiveness of the top division so clubs outside the 'elite' are effectively playing for 7th place and beyond that to finish above 18th place. This season the relegation battle is actually much more compelling than the one-horse race at the top.
I think it's fair to say our football this season in many games has reached a new low in quality with the emphasis on work-rate rather than skill which is pretty unpalatable a lot of the time especially when we get results like yesterday.
As for wishing we were Man City? Not really, they're distorting the game to the extent that when a player like Mane gets an 8 week injury they go and attempt to buy a stop-gap player for £65 million and disrupt an opponent's season with arrogant impunity. I sincerely hope Wenger can get a tune out of his team today to do a Wigan on the rich bastards.
Me? I'll continue to support my currently sh*t team through thick and thin, just like I did in 2000 when the buckets were being passed round. Somehow, that period in our history was so much more rewarding as a supporter as we came back from the brink and eventually got up that wonderful day at Hillsborough. We're living on scraps now but every now and then we get memories that just make our support worthwhile. When you have a great win it seems so much better, remember the OBZ moment, those are few and far between but oh so sweet.
Eventually, we will get a manager that actually can build a footballing team we can be proud of, hopefully sooner than later...
I was commenting on Incenzo’s tweet, not the state of football in general. Everything you write about the state of the game is correct, but it doesn’t change the fact that being a fan of any club that you support through thick and mostly thin is in my opinion akin to being a prisoner, a hostage. We all have Stockholm Syndrome, we are in love with our abductor and will defend them to the end, in spite of the misery they have inflicted upon us.
My short point is that we are stuck with QPR that can never change. We fed from the golden hand when it was offered and that in turn has tricked us . We all knew it even the mad twats like me ... I rant on but finally know we are only realising we sold our soul
We are the soul that’s my point we do not have to sell out ... we just need to get ourselves back to what QPR means. The club don’t get that they certainly didn’t understand when I went there
Bloody Orange shirts and no hoops they all looked blankly at me when that was raised
They wanted input/service for money and when I said it was free again blank faces.
We will be here long after careers have been and gone ... this is not understood
Hence why I give my support to Holloway
He is one of us at the end of the day as is Sir Les ... useless or not we have to believe
We are the soul that’s my point we do not have to sell out ... we just need to get ourselves back to what QPR means. The club don’t get that they certainly didn’t understand when I went there
Bloody Orange shirts and no hoops they all looked blankly at me when that was raised
They wanted input/service for money and when I said it was free again blank faces.
We will be here long after careers have been and gone ... this is not understood
Hence why I give my support to Holloway
He is one of us at the end of the day as is Sir Les ... useless or not we have to believe
What alternative did he have? Play for a 0-3 home defeat? I don't give Holloway special credit for that. Any manager would have done the same
I seem to recall Redknapp making defensive substitutions when we were 3-0 down at home to Liverpool.
That's Redknapp, who'd presumably justify it on the basis that Liverpool is a top 6 Prem side that could run riot and massacre our goal difference. Yesterday, we were playing a team that was below us in the division.
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Talking to fellow Rs before kick off yesterday it was widely agreed that Ollie put out the best team we had available and apart from Smyth for Washington, I THINK I am right in saying that it was the same side that won against Bolton. That being the case surely MOST of the blame must be with the players? In the tweet he said that we had practiced successfully on Friday and failed to take those lessons on to the pitch yesterday., How can that be Ollies fault? As for people bemoaning the fact that Ollie shouldn't blame the players publicly (it was rather hinted at than direct IMO), why shouldn't he? All of us that were there yesterday know we were crap. Why should the manager hide the fact? As you know I was all in favour of Ollie becoming manager. My views have changed and think he will go at the end of a very poor season, however he cannot be blamed for everything. A little balance is required. Nuff said.
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I had that problem on my phone. After about 2 weeks the tweets appeared again, but I have no idea why.
Having read that twice, I still don't have a clue what you are going on about!
I think there are a few misconceptions in this post. 'We had practised successfully'........well obviously not. BUT the biggest problem I see with his tweet/quote is the following: I presume he meant we were practising individual and team tactics to stop Forest doing certain things. Do Forest do these things we were practising for against everyone? How can you coach tactics for scenarios that have not yet been played out? Just because they did something a particular way in one game doesn't mean they do it every game. Untold scenarios can't be coached!!! Players have to use initiative rather than some robotic set up that might come undone when a scenario doesn't pan out the way you practise for. More important in my eyes is the facination from Holloway of prioritising trying to always stop the opposition above how we actually play. Every loss is followed by 'that's the worst since I've been here'. Of course he will blame the players who in turn will eventually get fed up of him and the dressing room goes. We as fans (many anyway) put the blame on him and rightly so in my eyes. He Would be out of his depth in a rain puddle!!