Match Day Thread QPR v Brighton

[cor blymie]

Looked like a lot of empty seats on Sky?

three season ticket holders watching the game in a pub in Lyme. Bit of a trek for a mid-week game (done it numerous times) and in front of us in the SA Road stand are 2 Finnish season ticket holders, they wouldn't have gone either. Basically what I'm saying is, 40 years ago 90% of our fans would have lived no more than 5 miles from the ground. Now I bet it's nearer 10%

 

[NorwayRanger]

As above- see deliberate hand ball!

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...ball-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx

The ref has to interpret what is deliberate, an unnatural movement of the arms could be seen as deliberate, however jumping with your back turned and your arms close to your body wouldn't be!

Sorry but I was editing my response when you responded to it. So I'll say it again.

Why do you think you see so many defenders place their hands behind their back nowadays? It's silly I'll give you that. For me there are nothing more unatural than trying to defend with your hands behind your back.

In the case of the incident last night, if the player jump with his back towards the shot then that's his decission and not something that works in his favour. His arms where not close to his body either, they were straight out and together making it more likely to block the shot.

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

From last night's showing Brighton aren't a good team they are a lucky and dirty team. Lots of constant small fouls to break up and disrupt flow of the game. Proper ref would have dealt with it. Instead Instead had an idiot. Having a 30 second conversation with their number 3 in injury time summed up how clueless he was about their tactics.

We are solid enough but if Brighton were lucky Hall is using all our luck. Every single game he makes at least one serious **** up but fortunately they never score no matter how easy the chance so it isn't remembered. 5 mins in he got turned inside out in the box and then same again in 2nd half after not dealing with it. Hopefully it's just inexperience and with this game time he learns quick.

Hoilett again. Improvement on what we are used to but unless he is scoring goals or making assists then he needs to be out the team for Chery who despite barely playing already has almost caught him up in goals scored for the club. Hoilett may be trying a bit harder all of a sudden if after 3 and a half cushy years on ridiculous money then with 6 months to go he's realised **** I need to convince someone else to let me nick a living!! He can't cross and he can't shoot and that's what really matters. He also has no football intelligence perfect example was in final minutes when on the line inside penalty box instead of heading it back in he tried to chest it down whilst jumping backwards off the pitch!! And as usual he gave his usual handful of fouls often in range for them to get a ball in the box.

Another one who needs to contribute is Fer. Not doing enough to justify a start. First touch has become awful. He's had enough games now to sort himself.

With Faurlin Sandro forming a base and Austin up front this team has got a chance of doing well. Defensively we'll be good enough but unless likes of Fer and Hoilett also start providing actual real contributions with goals and assists then we need to look to those who have proven they can contribute where it matters with JET and Chery. Then we'll have a chance of winning games.

Agree with much of this, but would add that they did remind me a little of us under NW in the year we went up. We were very good that year at breaking up play with those small fouls (think Derry and Hill) and managed to get draws when we didn't deserve them. We also weren't a team of outstanding players (bar Taarabt), but played well as a unit, with each man understanding their role very well.

Fer annoys me a lot. I'd be delighted to get rid of him in January. Slows down every attack and adds very little. How he is keeping his place ahead of Luongo I do not know.

 

[Fourtyyearsofhurt(mostly)]

Really pleased with the performance last night....should have been up at half time against one of the meanest defences ive seen for a while. I did note although you cant keep up momentum for 90 mins we werent at it for the first part of 2nd half up until they got their goals and then we raised it again. majority of our players were impressive and great to see Polter get a chance which ive been asking for for weeks....next Diakite for Fer (who is the one player nowhere near his potential at the moment).

Looking forward to Saturday as Im going and hopefully JFH wont set them up to defend.......

 

[QPAAAAAGH]

I think we are underrating our own performance by denigrating Brighton so much. They looked fast and dangerous on the break and were very well organised at the back. Coupled with a large dose of 'professionalism' (aka cheating) you can see why they have beaten so many others in the division. And yet we were totally dominant in the first half and then overcame a deficit of two lucky goals to nearly win the game. We need increase chances by getting both the ball and more players into the box quickly but other than that (and dropping a certain Mr Green) I am very encouraged by what I've seen in the last couple of games.

 

[Hoop-Leif]

Deflection or not there's no way a keeper of Greens 'supposed' calibre should be letting that shot in.

Appalling keeping imo

 

[sb_73]

Sorry but it doesn't. If you draw an advantage of having your hand in an unatural position then it is up to the ref to judge if it's a penalty or not.

Why do you think you see so many defenders place their hands behind their back nowadays? It's silly I'll give you that. For me there are nothing more unatural than trying to defend with your hands behind your back.

When I played low level football in Italy in the late eighties I was taught, as a defender, to keep my hands behind me at virtually all times, especially when the striker has his back to you, by an ex Atalanta b team player. The thinking 'the ref is looking for your hands, you can still foul him with your upper body, shoulders, knees and feet'.

 

[elnino37]

I must say yesterday was the first time I have enjoyed a QPR game for some time. The key for me, was the speed that we were moving the ball around the edge of the box. Typically, we slow the game right down in them situations, but under JFH we have a spring in our step. Now is the time to drop Green and gracefully fizzle him out. The second goal was an embarrassment; even with the first (although not his fault at all) I would have expected him to move a little quicker to get across. He's just not the keeper he used to be, and Smithies is clearly the future so play him now.

Really impressed with Sandro and Faurlin, and that's Austin's best performance of the season. Onwards!

 

[Peter Damage]

Really pleased with the performance last night....should have been up at half time against one of the meanest defences ive seen for a while. I did note although you cant keep up momentum for 90 mins we werent at it for the first part of 2nd half up until they got their goals and then we raised it again. majority of our players were impressive and great to see Polter get a chance which ive been asking for for weeks....next Diakite for Fer (who is the one player nowhere near his potential at the moment).

Looking forward to Saturday as Im going and hopefully JFH wont set them up to defend.......

Diakite isnt in the 25 man squad so he cant play.

Ramsey put Doherty (remember him?) in the squad instead

Agree we need to be more positive. Even though we created chances in the first half did look like we played with the handbrake on.

Didn’t up the tempo really until being 2 down. A points not really good enough on Saturday after dropping 4 points from last 2 games cant really let the gap grow any further

Am impressed by how JFH comes across. Not many Rangers managers that I’ve been able to show that about but with Burton they were in a new league after taking a step up so fans would tolerate a safety first approach. With us we’ve dropped down a league and have more than a few individuals who are better than this league so that combined with the points deficit means we need to approach games more positively than his seemingly natural conservative approach

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Back turned? Don't make me laugh, he can have his back turned all he like, he's still responsible for where he keeps his arms. Blocking a goalbound shot with your arms is a penalty offence inside the box, back turned or not. Learn the rules before you comment.

Patronising much?

I guess the ref, linesman and Ian Holloway need to go on some courses to learn the rules given they all said it wasn't a pen... Maybe you could offer to run it given you're obviously all knowledgeable?

Oh and by the way, blocking a goal bound shot with your arm isn't a penalty (ps it was going wide not goal bound but that also makes no difference) if it wasn't deliberate, from yor comment you're suggesting that if you're 1/2 a yard away and kick the ball at someone's arm with their back turned its a penalty

 

[qprbeth]

So enjoyed last night...first time in 18 months
Just seen the highlights...where on another thread I am tending to give Green benefit of the doubt for the 2nd....but the first also leaves a lot to be desired.

I know it was totally unexpected, but the slowness of the shot should have given him time


He needs to watch out, JFH doesn't look as though he is taking prisioners

 

[sb_73]

Diakite isnt in the 25 man squad so he cant play.

Ramsey put Doherty (remember him?) in the squad instead

Agree we need to be more positive. Even though we created chances in the first half did look like we played with the handbrake on.

Didn’t up the tempo really until being 2 down. A points not really good enough on Saturday after dropping 4 points from last 2 games cant really let the gap grow any further

Am impressed by how JFH comes across. Not many Rangers managers that I’ve been able to show that about but with Burton they were in a new league after taking a step up so fans would tolerate a safety first approach. With us we’ve dropped down a league and have more than a few individuals who are better than this league so that combined with the points deficit means we need to approach games more positively than his seemingly natural conservative approach

There is no 25 man squad rule in the Championship.

 

[Frome-Ranger]

Diakite isnt in the 25 man squad so he cant play.

Ramsey put Doherty (remember him?) in the squad instead

Agree we need to be more positive. Even though we created chances in the first half did look like we played with the handbrake on.

Didn’t up the tempo really until being 2 down. A points not really good enough on Saturday after dropping 4 points from last 2 games cant really let the gap grow any further

Am impressed by how JFH comes across. Not many Rangers managers that I’ve been able to show that about but with Burton they were in a new league after taking a step up so fans would tolerate a safety first approach. With us we’ve dropped down a league and have more than a few individuals who are better than this league so that combined with the points deficit means we need to approach games more positively than his seemingly natural conservative approach

No 25 man rule in the Champ, Diakite just isn't good enough, been through enough managers now to prove this surely?

 

[Supergod00]

Sorry but I was editing my response when you responded to it. So I'll say it again.

Why do you think you see so many defenders place their hands behind their back nowadays? It's silly I'll give you that. For me there are nothing more unatural than trying to defend with your hands behind your back.

In the case of the incident last night, if the player jump with his back towards the shot then that's his decission and not something that works in his favour. His arms where not close to his body either, they were straight out and together making it more likely to block the shot.

There is nothing in the rules that state the player has to move their arms out the way or behind their back, the reason players do it is to reduce the risk of the ref interpreting the ball hitting their hand as deliberate. Jumping with his back to the shot clearly did work in his favour as he blocked the shot with his arm in the box but because he couldn't possibly have done it deliberately as he couldn't see the ball then it couldn't be a penalty, the post match analysis were very clear that they didn't think it was anywhere near a penalty, Holloway isn't one to beat about the bush!

 

[sb_73]

Sorry but I was editing my response when you responded to it. So I'll say it again.

Why do you think you see so many defenders place their hands behind their back nowadays? It's silly I'll give you that. For me there are nothing more unatural than trying to defend with your hands behind your back.

In the case of the incident last night, if the player jump with his back towards the shot then that's his decission and not something that works in his favour. His arms where not close to his body either, they were straight out and together making it more likely to block the shot.

There is nothing in the rules that state the player has to move their arms out the way or behind their back, the reason players do it is to reduce the risk of the ref interpreting the ball hitting their hand as deliberate. Jumping with his back to the shot clearly did work in his favour as he blocked the shot with his arm in the box but because he couldn't possibly have done it deliberately as he couldn't see the ball then it couldn't be a penalty, the post match analysis were very clear that they didn't think it was anywhere near a penalty, Holloway isn't one to beat about the bush!

The great thing about this argument is that one of you is wrong, but is very unlikely to admit it. I don't know which, I just know that whatever is written in the rules is less significant than the ref's interpretation of them and how he viewed the incident.

I'm more excercised by how easily a great lump like Sandro fell over when struck by a feather, and how much a white stick for Rob Green will set the club back.

 

[NorwayRanger]

Patronising much?

I guess the ref, linesman and Ian Holloway need to go on some courses to learn the rules given they all said it wasn't a pen... Maybe you could offer to run it given you're obviously all knowledgeable?

Oh and by the way, blocking a goal bound shot with your arm isn't a penalty (ps it was going wide not goal bound but that also makes no difference) if it wasn't deliberate, from yor comment you're suggesting that if you're 1/2 a yard away and kick the ball at someone's arm with their back turned its a penalty

Didn't mean to sound patronising and if I was then I apologise. I did say however "The distance is a mitigating circumstance, and if that is what the ref base his decission on then fair enough."

 

[NorwayRanger]

The great thing about this argument is that one of you is wrong, but is very unlikely to admit it. I don't know which, I just know that whatever is written in the rules is less significant than the ref's interpretation of them and how he viewed the incident.

I'm more excercised by how easily a great lump like Sandro fell over when struck by a feather, and how much a white stick for Rob Green will set the club back.

I might very well be wrong and won't have any problem backing down. It's just the way I and many experts/pundits/knownothing's/referees interpret it.

Sandro should be ashamed, even though it was a push and those often get given for the defender, it's embarassing to watch.

 

[Stroller]

There is nothing in the rules that state the player has to move their arms out the way or behind their back, the reason players do it is to reduce the risk of the ref interpreting the ball hitting their hand as deliberate. Jumping with his back to the shot clearly did work in his favour as he blocked the shot with his arm in the box but because he couldn't possibly have done it deliberately as he couldn't see the ball then it couldn't be a penalty, the post match analysis were very clear that they didn't think it was anywhere near a penalty, Holloway isn't one to beat about the bush!

The law does state that handball has to be a deliberate act, but this is open to interpretation. It's not just deliberately setting out to handle the ball, it's also deliberately placing the arms in an unnatural position so as to increase the chances of blocking the ball.

Per my earlier post, if he deliberately placed his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of blocking the shot, it should have been a penalty. It doesn't matter if he had his back turned, or even if he had been blindfolded. I still haven't seen the replay, but I was convinced last night that it was a pen. I'd rather hear what Graham Poll might have to say than rely on Holloway's interpretation.

 

[TootingExcess]

Patronising much?

I guess the ref, linesman and Ian Holloway need to go on some courses to learn the rules given they all said it wasn't a pen... Maybe you could offer to run it given you're obviously all knowledgeable?

Oh and by the way, blocking a goal bound shot with your arm isn't a penalty (ps it was going wide not goal bound but that also makes no difference) if it wasn't deliberate, from yor comment you're suggesting that if you're 1/2 a yard away and kick the ball at someone's arm with their back turned its a penalty

You are right, but they are often given - but only at Anfield or Old Trafford! What did you think of the one given against Swansea a couple of weeks ago?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

You are right, but they are often given - but only at Anfield or Old Trafford! What did you think of the one given against Swansea a couple of weeks ago?

Totally different, Taylor was facing the ball and had his arms above his head. Greer had his back turned and the natural movement of turning your back meant his arms moved.

What I would be saying to both is, Taylor, why are you sticking your arms by your face, head the ball away you tart.

And Greer your a Scottish CB, man uP face the ball and take one in the stomach