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Actually yes, has been a lot of games this season we’ve heavily dominated and just not been able to create a decent clear chance and/or score. I do think it’s a solid way to try and set up most the time but it doesn’t always work, and particularly so when performances are flat there is no pick me up in this team at all other than someone coming up with a moment of individual brilliance. When the team is playing **** and performance levels are down it’s hard to pick it up by playing more tippy tappy arsenal walk it into the goal football. There’s not even a bone crunching tackle in the whole squad to give the fans a lift. It’s all just very meh.
True we’ve had games where we’ve dominated possession but that’s not good enough, any manager could teach that, it’s the next bit that’s the hard bit
 
Is it an issue? We're sitting 7th in the table with this supposed 'issue'. It feels much worse when we've just had a bad performance, but a bit of perspective probably helps.
We are sitting 7th yes. But consistently this season we are telling ourselves we deserved to win a game because we had more of the ball etc etc. how about consistently making chances across games of football so attackers aren’t having to rely on 1/2 moments a game to score goals from. I can take is having a bad game like yesterday but the signs have been there for ages. The last 2 wins have been on the back of shocking attacking performances, Philogene’s goal would’ve been disallowed with VAR and Carvalho got a fortunate deflection. They don’t suddenly become good performances because a goal flew in, good results yes. But performance level has not been good for a while, and I think it’s down to the system. I don’t think the system is the reason we are 7th either for what it’s worth.
 
We are sitting 7th yes. But consistently this season we are telling ourselves we deserved to win a game because we had more of the ball etc etc. how about consistently making chances across games of football so attackers aren’t having to rely on 1/2 moments a game to score goals from. I can take is having a bad game like yesterday but the signs have been there for ages. The last 2 wins have been on the back of shocking attacking performances, Philogene’s goal would’ve been disallowed with VAR and Carvalho got a fortunate deflection. They don’t suddenly become good performances because a goal flew in, good results yes. But performance level has not been good for a while, and I think it’s down to the system. I don’t think the system is the reason we are 7th either for what it’s worth.

And there's been plenty of games where luck has gone against us and cost us points. It what tends to happen over the course of a football season.

I acknowledged in another thread we've been a poor run of form lately and it seems to have coincided with Seri being away at AFCON, so will be insightful to see how we play when he's back.
 
'Any manager' can teach a team to dominate possession? That's a bit of a stretch.
Really? You don’t think most championship managers could instruct their team to keep the ball just as much as we do? I think they could easily, it’s just most managers realise there’s more than that. Especially when you take into account 54% of it is in our own defensive third. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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And there's been plenty of games where luck has gone against us and cost us points. It what tends to happen over the course of a football season.

I acknowledged in another thread we've been a poor run of form lately and it seems to have coincided with Seri being away at AFCON, so will be insightful to see how we play when he's back.
Don’t disagree. Just think we’ll still see this inconsistent form until we up the tempo a bit. Teams have an easy job of setting up their defence against us because even when we win the ball back, we play forward at such a slow pace that we they can get bodies behind the ball. Then we wonder why we don’t score many consistently. Blackburn was the perfect example of it. We played forward with pace after they’d over commited and then Connolly and Delap won their 1v1s and scored.
 
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And there's been plenty of games where luck has gone against us and cost us points. It what tends to happen over the course of a football season.

I acknowledged in another thread we've been a poor run of form lately and it seems to have coincided with Seri being away at AFCON, so will be insightful to see how we play when he's back.
Poor run of form with Seri being away? We've averaged 1.5 points per game for the season and that also seems to have been the trend during Seri's absence.

We're inconsistent,as are most Clubs in the top half.
 
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I admit I’ve not seen a lot of us this season & what I have seen has been frustrating. But the comments about Rosie are very similar to comments about Southgate with England.
The problem both have, is that the fans think the players they have are the best, when it’s a case of, they’re a bit better than most, but really not as good as the actual best. It’s a case of the manager trying to get their style set into the players, & the players then don’t do what they’ve been told to do.
With City also, some people seem to go OTT with the players signed, how much they cost & where they come from.
Carvalho is a player from Liverpool, so we’re going to win games, but Coyle is from Fleetwood & didn’t cost much, low earner so he’s going to cost us points.
Having said that about Carvalho, reading the match thread, it seems he’s already losing his halo!
 
Tufan was widely regarded as MOTM last week playing as a false 9.

I think it's simplistic to say that young players were always going to improve with or without Rosenior as manager. Or we just got lucky and got three in who were always going to have a good season..
Can someone please enlighten me, I hear quite a lot of 'a false number 9', is this just another modern way of saying playing out of position?
 
Can someone please enlighten me, I hear quite a lot of 'a false number 9', is this just another modern way of saying playing out of position?

Instead of having a front three where the striker is the point, the central position plays deeper than the wingers and is more a focal point to play them in. Or at least that's always been my understanding. Could well be wrong.
 
A damn sight quicker style of football than ours
Why is it that as soon as Swansea got possession their players ran forward to support the move even their big no4 was 20 yds into our half when they were attacking - I do think Fabio is possibly under instruction to occupy a zone and not given the freedom he had at Fulham , he dwelt on the ball and rarely ran with it . our wingers should have been instructed to push their backs as far back as possible to create space as soon as we figured their plan , then we could knock it over them . Once this is tried and succeeds their backs would be hesitant to push up . As I said Jaden wants to receive the ball at half way at best so he concedes the whole half of the pitch to them .
 
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Why is it that as soon as Swansea got possession their players ran forward to support the move even their big no4 was 20 yds into our half when they were attacking - I do think Fabio is possibly under instruction to occupy a zone and not given the freedom he had at Fulham , he dwelt on the ball and rarely ran with it . our wingers should have been instructed to push their backs as far back as possible to create space as soon as we figured their plan , then we could knock it over them . Once this is tried and succeeds their backs would be hesitant to push up . As I said Jaden wants to receive the ball at half way at best so he concedes the whole half of the pitch to them .

Philogene barely ever pressed and strikes me as someone who likes to do his own thing which often works well for us but when he's having a stinker it really doesn't work for us.
 
Agreed.
After the last 160+ minutes of 'football', you'd have to conclude we've gone backwards, not made progress. And then there's performances TC mentions above. Better and better players, but same old ****e.

I think Rosenior should:
- spend a season as understudy to Colin in order to learn some pragmatism and common sense, and to speed up his apprenticeship
- or, apply to coach Man City's U9's
- or go back to punditry so he can eloquently spout idealistic BS as much as he wants (not that I'd want to listen thanks)

Talking of sticking heads above parapets, I'll raise you one. Acun is in many ways a great owner, and has done some great things for us, but he's acquiring a growing potentially worrying list of expensive, failed experiments / mistakes. Off the top of my head, Shota, Rosenior, Sinik, Allahyar, Pelkas, Tetteh (and several others not added where he's almost certainly had personal 'involvement'), pursuing & expecting HCC to allow a sporting village on the site, Fortuna Sittard, Shelbourne, etc. There seems to be an incredible enthusiasm coupled with a naivity that doesn't want to take more tried & tested routes appropriate for where we are and what we need. Alongside him he has chosen Tan who comes over so impressively but was also totally inexperienced in terms of English football, and by implication has also been learning on the job; another example of Acun not taking a tried and tested option (along side or instead of). I just hope he has the money, resilience and learning ability to see it through to eventual success.

I'm so pissed off after yesterday. Yep, I know I shouldn't be after all these years. Maybe I / we just have to be incredibly patient and it will all eventually fall in place on and off the pitch, hoping they learn, adapt & develop. But, I fear they've backed the wrong horse again, that it won't all fall into place and Acun will add Hull City to his growing list.
I think you’re forgetting Celi is doing amazingly well and is going to be ready in three to four years time
So think on