Polygamy

You are wrong, do your reseach properly, and you will find that our Justice system is indeed based on the Bible and Christianity, as is our calendar.

He protected his people the nation of Israel from overwelming odds, not only against the the might of Babylon, but also against Sennacherib's Army (Assyria) where one Angel distroyed 185,000 soldiers. He used the Babalonian World power to discipline the Jewish nation, when they went into slavery as exiles for 70 years due to the fact that they had turned to worshipping Idols, and passing their children through fire (Child Sacrifice), something that was detestable to the creator. It may sound harsh, but he gave them repeated warnings to return to doing what was good, and not to worship Idols made of stone.

"take the young virgins" This goes back to the point you raised earlier, and is around the time of when the Nation of Israel were going through the land of Canaan (Promised Land) conquering all the Nations as they went, of course all these Nations practised what was bad (Child sacrifice etc) and the Nation of Israel where executing the creators Judgment upon these nations, the incident you refer to was regarding the Midianites who had plotted to bring a wedge between the Jews and their powerful God in a hope to stop the march the Jews were making through the land, and they did this by getting the Jews to worship the false Gods of Midian. The Midianite women's seductions of Israelites to their idol Baal-phegor is stated as the cause of offense to God, and why he decreed the complete destruction of Midian, of course they did not carry this out correctly, and so the further instruction was given to clarify and put right.


Now when you read these accounts they are of course during a time of ancient warfare, with the rules of that period and in ancient times invading armies spared no one, not even children, it might seem barbaric to us today, but that's how it was in ancient times, and the language of the accounts reflects that.

You have to understand that the Hebrew writings are the history and wars of the jews and their relationship with their God, where as the Christian Greek writings usher in a message of peace and security through divine rulership.


I do not know how old our planet earth is, but I do know that recorded history of man goes back approx 6000 years. Our planet could well be Millions of years old, a day with the creator is a 1000 years?

I have read the Origin of Species, and to sum it up there are a lot of ifs and buts, too much supposition for me to accept. All I see around me has purpose and design, when I watch the Grand Prix with Ferrari and Mclaren fighting it out in those incredible machines, I would never presume to deny the designers and manufacters they rightful title to ownership and construction, so why should I deny ownership and construction of the Universe and Planet Earth? Who put it in it's orbit? Who put it at it's axis and angle of rotation? who placed it 93 Million miles away from the Sun? who created it's molten engine beneath the earth's crust? who decided it's speed of rotation? who decided the gravitational force for planet Earth? Where did all the Mathematics come from, who placed the laws of physics in place, who was the Quantum Engineer of it all?


Primordial soup? sorry but it is not rational, intelligent, or logical to even consider this, Darwin and his followers are not for me.....................<ok>

A little research into archeological studies of the British Isles blows that myth well and truly into the frying pan.
Don't tell me Phil you think the Grand Canyon was shaped overnight too?
 
Who causes the deadly plagues and diseases? who caused the two world wars?



Did not the Jewish nation have laws on quaranteen, long before any other nation? who gave them that law?



Didn't Job know that the earth was round and hangs on nothing long before Christopher Columbus? who told him? or did he have a space craft?...............<laugh>

God, as he creates everything and everyone doesn't he Phil?
 
Well I can see if I lay into the Atheists again on here, we are going to continue to go around in ever decreasing circles? They say that 1 in 4 of the UK population has mental health issues, I would argue with that, I think judging by the reasoning on this thread it's probably more like 1 in 2!..........<laugh>





But there again maybe the Commies have infiltrated the UK, next we'll be going Totalitarian, and Banning all religion and making Atheism the state religion, Red Ed as Stalin!.................<laugh>
 
A little research into archeological studies of the British Isles blows that myth well and truly into the frying pan.
Don't tell me Phil you think the Grand Canyon was shaped overnight too?





Just because recorded history of Civilisation only goes back some 6000 years, doesn't mean the earth is that age, I have already said the Earth could be Millions of years old, do keep up Valley, what point are you trying to make anyway?
 
But if you are right about the Bible (yet curiously you dislike the religion it spawned) then where does that leave the bigger picture? It's established that the Earth is a rather insignificant speck in a vast universe and the numbers involved are staggering. From what we know (no this isn't opinion) there are millions of Earth-like planets out there. Only recently the Kepler Science Conference that takes data from an old space probe announced an additional 833 such planets that are all a relatively short distance away from us. Simple maths means that there are probably billions - yes billions - of planets like Earth. Imo only man's arrogance feels the need to create an ideology suggesting we're special or 'chosen' because we're clearly not. - DragonBorn


It's common Knowledge that the holy Roman empire in the 2nd century AD, rejected many of the teachings of the 1st century Christians, in an attempt to satisfy the worshipers of their Roman Gods, which were borrowed from the Greeks. That is why many religions grew and developed teachings to suit their national customs, and Pagan Deities, and that formed the basis of such non biblical teachings within the numerous religions of Chrisendom. That is why Religion and the Bible are two different things, something that our 'Valley teacher' is having difficulty in understanding............<laugh>



Your second point I'm not sure what your trying to make, as we have not found life anywhere else yet, no matter how hard we have tried over the decades, the fact that there are Billions of 'Earth like planets' doesn't in itself mean they are populated with life, but then they might well be, there is no statement in the Bible that the creator has stopped creating, or that he has created life just on this planet, you are speculating on a subject that the Bible does not comment on, I personally have many questions as to the purpose of the vastness of the universe, but there is no information regarding this in the bible, and neither has the Scientific community have any answers yet, though they have been trying for over 50 years?.....................<ok>
 
"1%"?

Where did you get that figure from,Dragon - Dai's "Book of Knowledge". <laugh>



I got it from the Atheists themselves, but there are plenty of places were you can get the figures, around the world they constitute an estimated 2.01%, and non-religious (agnostic) 9.66%. It's sunday school today girls....................<cheers>
 
Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as ministers recognise polygamy
Seriously, you will not believe this!!

Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.
A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone.


Muslim groups say it is quite common for men here to undergo more than one Nikah with different wives. This does not count as bigamy since only the first marriage is legally recognised.

you are kidding me?

Nothing surprises me in the UK anymore. It's the same with all the arguments over the eastern europeans coming here and what numbers truly came. There seems to be a consensus from some people, that if they come here and work and pay into our tax system then what is the problem, far better some may say than our resident counterparts.

What they don't tell you is the figures that relate to those same hard working east europeans that are claiming tax credits and housing benefits while working. Hence are they taking back out more than they put in. A similar circumstance to the original post.
 
The whole ethos of Christianity is that humans are special and created in God's image. Such arrogance. Life will be found eventually you know that as well as I do but we're limited by the vastness of space and our current technology. 50 years is nothing really and we've only just begun. The answers will come and when they do I anticipate that the reigious nutjobs will come up with another 're-interperetation' of the Bible.

As for Atheism it's not a religion and it's rather amusing that you describe it as such. I also see you've been hitting Wiki again. <laugh> Worldwide figures are the ones you've quoted but you have to remember that atheists are an oppressed minority in many countries so data is unreliable. In strict Islamic countries they are actually put to death.

But as you're a Wiki fan you'll also know that 10 years ago a BBC poll revealed that almost 40% of the UK population said they did not believe in a god. As Christianity has been steadily collapsing over the last 10 years it's probably much more than 40% now. It's this fact that will hopefully stem the tide of rising Islam because it looks as if the followers of your little book are screwed. <ok>
 
Who created the "purposer or one who caused the universe", is there someone higher up the chain that made the all seeing magic man. Then if someone made him, who made him, and who made him, and so on and so on.

Something has to start somewhere, with no creator, and for me, that is the universe. Not some hocus pocus bullshit guy in the sky, with an all seeing eye.


There is no one higher up the chain, the Bible makes it quite clear that God 'The Creator' had no beginning or ending, he has always existed, There are many statements to this effect and the phrase "alpha and omega" signifies that God is eternal. For us who had a beginning it's difficult to understand the concept of the creator having no beginning at all, or the fact that when he first started to create the universe, what was there before, and what is the ever expanding universe expanding into, were is the literal space that the universe is expanding into coming from? whether you believe in a supreme being or not, it is accepted that the Universe had a starting point, and that it is still expanding, but what is it expanding into?.................<ok>
 
It's not expanding into anything, it's just expanding. Lawrence Krauss has some interesting theories on this - look him up. His 'something from nothing' theory was ridiculed by the religious lobby some years ago but the University of Michigan went on and proved it years later:

http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...ing-theory-says-matter-can-be-conjured-vacuum

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

And this more recently: "The Big Bang Didn't Need God to Start Universe, Researchers Say"

http://www.space.com/16281-big-bang-god-intervention-science.html

It blows a hole right through religion imo because we now know that matter can indeed be created spontaneously from a vacuum, though the researchers themselves are rather more diplomatic in their choice of words.
 
The whole ethos of Christianity is that humans are special and created in God's image. Such arrogance. Life will be found eventually you know that as well as I do but we're limited by the vastness of space and our current technology. 50 years is nothing really and we've only just begun. The answers will come and when they do I anticipate that the reigious nutjobs will come up with another 're-interperetation' of the Bible.

As for Atheism it's not a religion and it's rather amusing that you describe it as such. I also see you've been hitting Wiki again. <laugh> Worldwide figures are the ones you've quoted but you have to remember that atheists are an oppressed minority in many countries so data is unreliable. In strict Islamic countries they are actually put to death.

But as you're a Wiki fan you'll also know that 10 years ago a BBC poll revealed that almost 40% of the UK population said they did not believe in a god. As Christianity has been steadily collapsing over the last 10 years it's probably much more than 40% now. It's this fact that will hopefully stem the tide of rising Islam because it looks as if the followers of your little book are screwed. <ok>




How is that arrogance? surely if the Creator God did make man in his image, then that is a compliment to man, and if I make something and say to you 'see what I have made', how am I being arrogant? your reasoning is flawed again, Dragonborn you need to look in the mirror mate, it is you who are arrogant in denying and not giving credit to the creator for all of his outstanding creation, this planet is a master piece, a Jewell in the sky it has been described by some, but it is your arrogance and those like you that will be your undoing, when the penny finally drops in you lap!...................<ok>
 
It's not expanding into anything, it's just expanding. Lawrence Krauss has some interesting theories on this - look him up. His 'something from nothing' theory was ridiculed by the religious lobby some years ago but the University of Michigan went on and proved it years later:

http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...ing-theory-says-matter-can-be-conjured-vacuum

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

And this more recently: "The Big Bang Didn't Need God to Start Universe, Researchers Say"

http://www.space.com/16281-big-bang-god-intervention-science.html

It blows a hole right through religion because we now know that matter can indeed be created spontaneously from a vacuum.




Once again you make a stupid statement, how does this blow a hole through religion? Scientists are not Gods, how many libraries of scientific knowledge has been scrapped over the years, by new findings?
 
If the "creator", and I use that term as loosely as I possibly can, is what you say, why did he bother making other planets? What purpose is there of other planets in our solar system?

Why bother creating a universe at all, seems a lot of wasted space to make.

Its mentioned that he made us in his image, what if he is a lion, and he made lion's in his image, and we were not meant as the dominant species, but that he ****ed up?