Off Topic Politics Thread

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How many people are aware that cheaper to produce energy is priced in line with the most expensive form of fossil energy, (which is gas)?
The piece below explains what happens and points out the savings if renewable energy was priced independently from fossil energy. It also points out the dangers of higher prices if we have another energy crisis.
Worth remembering that Reform UK is against renewable energy, something that could be used against them, should Labour have the balls to address this pricing issue.


Ministers are under pressure to fix Britain’s broken energy market and save households hundreds of pounds on bills.

Eco-tycoon Dale Vince is calling on the government to axe the “utterly mad” rule that prices renewable energy based on the international cost of fossil gas.

The UK wholesale market uses a system where electricity is priced to match the most expensive energy type.

That is usually gas taken from underground – and in 2023, the Green Britain Foundation found the price link added £43billion to energy bills, or an average of £367 for every UK household.

If energy prices returned to their 2022 high, it would add £741 to the average bill – even if homes used mostly clean electricity. Ecotricity founder Mr Vince, who has donated millions to Labour, said: “Labour needs to fix Britain’s broken energy market if it wants to bring down energy bills.

“We’ve got a dodgy market mechanism that ties the price of all electricity to the most expensive source, nearly always fossil gas – mostly imported, and wildly volatile in price. This utterly mad system has been costing us billions.

“I’m waiting for a reply from Keir Starmer and Ed Miliband. Why won’t they break the link now and slash bills?” Renewable energy is now getting cheaper to produce but Mr Vince warned that without change, the UK will continue to be vulnerable to market shocks such as the surge after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

He added: “By breaking this link, we can become truly energy independent, not just making the energy we need here, but pricing it here too.”

Consumer champion Martin Lewis recently supported the idea, posting online: “We need to delink our electricity prices from the gas price urgently.”

The Department for Energy Security and Net Zero said: “As long as Britain is exposed to global fossil fuel markets, we will be vulnerable to energy price rises over which we have no control.

“We’re looking at market reform, with consumers at the heart of our approach.”

Not arguing against what Labour donor Dale Vince has said here nor anyone else however I see no mention when they talk of this "utterly mad" rule of making it a level playing field seeing as renewables get subsidies that their competitors don't so of course they are likely to be cheaper. If it were a 1:1 competitive market then yeah, separate them but as it is now the non subsidy makes gas more expensive and therefore the "wholesale electricity" price.

You can't really argue about a "dodgy market mechanism" when the price of your own product is being manipulated downward already
 
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I agree. In politics it is called a U turn, in life it is called evaluating the outcome and changing your mind.
Yea, I’ve never got that in politics. I get the argument they FU first but sometimes it’s better to make a decision, see how it plays out & if no good, change. Learn by your mistakes & don’t repeat.
 
Yeah I just saw it, 100% looks intentional. ****ing scumbag.

Hood I'm wrong but I'll be surprised if there's no deaths :(

Police did well to detain them before they were lynched.
 
Interesting they announced his race and so quickly, makes me wonder if that's directly related to the criticism they got re Southport.

Not sure how I feel about that tbh. I understand it's to try and stop social media speculation/agitation but bowing to the internet loons seems a bit odd.
 
No doubt they'll still get some sort of angle on it unfortunately.

****ing grim country at the moment.

'Why do they only announce it so quickly when the person is white' incoming.

Also expect a few will claim its false and the person is actually the race they want it to be so they can go out and start chaos like last year.
 
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'Why do they only announce it so quickly when the person is white' incoming.

Also expect a few will claim its false and the person is actually the race they want it to be so they can go out and start chaos like last year.
Lots of people still claim it was a terror attack last year and not a mentally ill young man on a rampage.
 
Interesting they announced his race and so quickly, makes me wonder if that's directly related to the criticism they got re Southport.

Not sure how I feel about that tbh. I understand it's to try and stop social media speculation/agitation but bowing to the internet loons seems a bit odd.
Yeah, it seems a stupid move to me.

They've clearly done it to try and stop people claiming it to be race related but if anything it makes it worse that they would only do this with a white suspect.

This will just lead to the double standard / two tier policing noise getting louder.
 
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No doubt they'll still get some sort of angle on it unfortunately.

****ing grim country at the moment.


Yep, apparently British police are "disgusting" criminal protectors for not letting the crowd lynch him. Loads of comments about the outrageous police having to use force to keep people away from the suspect. I genuinely don't know why I bother

Jesus ****ing wept.
 
Yeah, it seems a stupid move to me.

They've clearly done it to try and stop people claiming it to be race related but if anything it makes it worse that they would only do this with a white suspect.

This will just lead to the double standard / two tier policing noise getting louder.

It was necessary because of the risk last year would be replicated.

The lot who spout 'two tier' rhetoric be damned, most of them were simply riot apologists and you just can't work with them, they will find an angle on it no matter what.

Prevention is better than cure.