Also the name Remoaners doesn’t fit for the many young people who never got a chance to vote on their future.
We can call the reJOYners.
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Ok I know I took flack for suggesting that the BBC were promoting Reform UK, maybe I am attributing intent to something that is actually just piss poor click bait journalism. Another example of the BBC inflating Reform (albeit something that is probably being watched by 7 people at best)
Nick Robinson Political Thinking show interviewing Eluned Morgan - Absolutely ramming home the danger of Reform U.K. to Welsh Labour and how well Reform are polling (reasonably fair to a point).
However, barely anything about Plaid Cymru, until Eluned Morgan herself said ‘well actually we have to consider Plaid Cymru as well’, that would be Plaid who are ahead of Reform in Welsh polling and Welsh Labours biggest challenger who are currently looking likely to be the largest party in Wales next time out. When discussing the next Welsh election.
In his summary at the end Nick Robinson talked about the challenges Welsh Labour face from Reform UK and ‘the left’.
Just an example of the pants quality political journalism we are dealing with.
Nick Robinson Political Thinking show interviewing Eluned Morgan - Absolutely ramming home the danger of Reform U.K. to Welsh Labour and how well Reform are polling (reasonably fair to a point).
However, barely anything about Plaid Cymru, until Eluned Morgan herself said ‘well actually we have to consider Plaid Cymru as well’, that would be Plaid who are ahead of Reform in Welsh polling and Welsh Labours biggest challenger who are currently looking likely to be the largest party in Wales next time out. When discussing the next Welsh election.
In his summary at the end Nick Robinson talked about the challenges Welsh Labour face from Reform UK and ‘the left’.
Just an example of the pants quality political journalism we are dealing with.
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Given also that the Brexshitters were moaning before Brexshit and are still moaning after it, because it’s **** like we warned them it would be
I’m personally already ReJOYcing a little over the links Starmer is renegotiating with Europe
I’ve just remembered something that might be of interest to you #StJabbo1
Way back in 2017 we visited Portugal for a wedding and also stayed in Lisbon for a while. While visiting a restaurant in Alfama we got chatting to a political journalist from Amsterdam, about Brexshit of course, and how awful it all was and I sent her a link to a UK site, which I thought she would find interesting
Have you heard of Milena Holdert?
Way back in 2017 we visited Portugal for a wedding and also stayed in Lisbon for a while. While visiting a restaurant in Alfama we got chatting to a political journalist from Amsterdam, about Brexshit of course, and how awful it all was and I sent her a link to a UK site, which I thought she would find interesting
Have you heard of Milena Holdert?
I haven't come across her before but have chatted to Mark Rutte in the past when we bumped into him occasionally in the Grote Markt in The Hague when he was PM. Not a nexshiter he agreed no way would the Netherlands would allow such a slim majority to decide the vote.
Maybe try reading my posts a little. Its not me confusing Europe the continent with the political body called the EU
Leaving the continent is physically impossible, barring some mega techtonic shifts and even the thicko low information people know and knew that when they voted to leave a political organisation.
You all say capitalism is bad but seem mighty fine with the whole corporatism setup run by very highly paid placemen (and women) that we never voted for!
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The majority of us never voted for any of our representatives. Low voter turnout plus first past the most means consistent minority rule. Add to that jerrymandering and you have a system where large swathes of people will never have any possibility of accurate representation.Maybe try reading my posts a little. Its not me confusing Europe the continent with the political body called the EU
Leaving the continent is physically impossible, barring some mega techtonic shifts and even the thicko low information people know and knew that when they voted to leave a political organisation.
You all say capitalism is bad but seem mighty fine with the whole corporatism setup run by very highly paid placemen (and women) that we never voted for!
Then take our EU membership. We complained about our loss of sovereignty within it while those people a very small minority elected actively worked to undermine our credibility in the Union. And then ran a campaign to remove us from that Union that they would - had they ever attended - have known could never create the end goals they wanted.
And when it comes to capitalism, we may not like it but it is the global system. And the unelected people with money in the EU were better for our personal wealth in the UK than any of the idiots the minority have elected in the last 16 years. While in the EU we were the big dogs and made good off the back of the smaller countries. Now, as outsiders, we are still in the capitalist system, still very much ruled by people we didn’t vote for and personally poorer for it.
The EU is crumbling from the inside from its own over zealous pursuit of its own ideologies. People still harping on about any growth at all as "look at them" while ignoring that all the major economies are struggling for growth and have been for a while. Germany has basically been in a recession for 2 years.
I think we are both agreed that our own idiots have been a shower of sh*** but that does not begin with those that wanted out. That started a long long time before that when they all bowed down to the alter of corporatism in the first place. However at least we can boot these people out or at least try to.
As for the "better for the UK" in terms of personal wealth......unfortunately that is just conjecture from people who project what they want to present ignoring the fact that the EU has hardly moved at all in terms of real terms growth for nearly 2 decades. Again this projection is nothing new because they were pointing "look at Germany, look at France" before we left the union and during the Tory austerity cherry picking when the starting point of their "analysis" was when you could see that UK was growing faster than Germany for a period, then Germany faster than the UK.
At the end of the day the UKs problems have been from systemic ignorance a long time before Brexit where we have such low productivity as a result of decades of winding down our industries in favour of a service based economy. That is one benefit other countries in the EU had over us for a long while however those same fruits are coming to bear now in Germany and France, partly because the West was so happy to be lured by cheap prices from China while they pursued their own idelogical dreams. This is one of the reasons there is this sudden push for a massive defence spend because there are a huge amount of jobs going to be lost in the next few years, particularly in Germany, in the automotive industry and this charade of increasing manufacturing of defense with limitations that it must come from EU countries, or the UK now because they're paying into the pot again, is just that, a charade. The vast majority of that budget will go to German tenders so they can redirect their automotive skilled jobs into the defence sector. Useful idiot Trump and his NATO demands is an easy deflection but he threatened this last time he was President, when Russia had already annexed Crimea and there was not even a whisper back then when the German car manufacturing industry was still going well.
This "globalist" bunch of fools have been blindsided by their own talk of action by China and now China are the ones pushing the EV market, They are the ones building the net zero stuff not us. They are the ones doing all the manufacturing of even the things that we were told to support and would bring thousands upon thousands of well paid jobs to the continent
Also factor in this "super deal with USA" that Starmer is proud of is already been looked at by the EU who were not happy with us signing it in the first place and it will come in their target range when Starmer decides to take the next step to "ever closer union" with it challenging their protectionist racket on the borders of the USE.
And you can see this very visibly today when the forgiven hero of the left Alistair Campbell repeatedly states that leaving the EU is costing 1 million an hour (or whatever it is) which is based on a proven to be flawed analysis from a parcel company that was comparing during Covid volume to 3 years prior to Covid and that analysis has been used by a vast amount of "point provers" that talk about the other side lies, mis and disinformation from the other side.
We have a Prime Mininster who continues to champion e-gates access "due to our deal" when it has been pointed out already many times that this is nothing to do with the EU itself it is a decision that individual countries decide upon themselves. It also ignores that the EU itself is pushing for their member states to do this for all non EU countries by the end of this year anyway so hurrah, lets make a big thing about something that has nothing to do with the deal, something that was basically already in place anyway, something the EU wants to happen anyway deal or no deal.
Yet the good guys don't lie or mislead? One would have to be 100% sold on ideology to believe that and when Alistair Campbell is now the darling of the cause and Jonathan Powell is CoS again in Downing Street its not hard to see how people just do not care about lies or misinformation if it suits their cause because these 2 are the guys behind the biggest lie of our times which took us into a war in Iraq based off spin and lies.
Maybe we would be better off in the EU financially who knows. Whats for sure though that this presentation of the EU being so good ignores that it is a crumbling bloc that is now wholly dependent on cheap Chinese Imports that are decimating its own industries while also pursuing internal ideologies that further hamper those industries.
All we have left in the UK is banking and finance. Did we learn absolutely nothing 18 years ago? We just carried on (yes I know the Tories were in 14 years so they should be blamed) The banks crashed the world economy but we continue to push for China to make everything and we'll just do money shuffling? There will be a much larger crash in the near future unless Europe (EU an those not in the club) gets is a**e in gear and makes moves to actually start manufacturing things again but that cannot happen with this zerosum policy of fast track Net zero. As always be are probably gonna be the only ones that actually follow the rules on that and will be the last to realise everybody else is ignoring it but thats how its been for a long time.
Is Climate change real? Yes. Should we be trying to do something about it? Yes, but net zero is a policy not the only solution and all net zero does at the minute is push manufacturing to the dirty manufacturing countries so we can fell good about ourselves and even then manipulate the numbers while we burn dirty wood chips that we can class as zero when that is 100% a lie. It wouldn't be as bad IF we were now seeing UK companies building electric cars and windmills and solar panels............like we were told would happen when this was all pushed as policy but the lure of cheap chines products won again there.
But hey ho. We are back at this argument again. The anti Brexit lot lie (ours don't) The EU is so successful and strong (when it is blatantly the opposite especially at the moment) We are never going to see eye to eye on this because your want to believe your "facts" as 100% genuine and call everyone who disagrees a liar when the reality is that you just prefer the forecasters and information manipulators that give you the endpoints you want to be true..........just like someone on our side quite likely does the same. That the globalist cabal is supported by globalist cabal quango forecasters is no surprise to anyone but hey ho they are "independent." Lol.
When Wessex gets its independence you lot are free to go back into the EU and take Lundinium with you. We'll get the Mexicans to build a wall along the Mercian border. Then your idealogues can push to give us reparations for the wealth that London built on the back of Mercian industries seeing as these idealogues like to actually look at history that goes back centuries on this issue.
If the EU had not been and it had remained the common market none of what we discuss today would be a problem. It was the push to try and create a USE that is increasingly tearing the project apart and if it weren't for the EURO single currency I daresay it would have already fallen apart but they are stuck in a dilemma now because the euro means they are forced to try and stay in the disaster of a project.
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Don't know if anyone has posted this, but does Trump remind you of anyone?
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Prominent BBC people with outspoken views vs Gary Lineker.
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One of the first actions of the Reform UK council in Lincolnshire is to abolish the Flooding committee.
This bit seems quite key to me:
According to the Local Democracy Reporting Service, the closed committee allowed councillors to hold bodies like Anglian Water, the Environment Agency and Internal Drainage Boards to account.
Flooding will now sit within the Environment Committee, which already deals with issues such as waste and pollution, and those groups would not automatically be invited.
Enjoy what you voted for Lincolnshire.
One of the first actions of the Reform UK council in Lincolnshire is to abolish the Flooding committee.
This bit seems quite key to me:
According to the Local Democracy Reporting Service, the closed committee allowed councillors to hold bodies like Anglian Water, the Environment Agency and Internal Drainage Boards to account.
Flooding will now sit within the Environment Committee, which already deals with issues such as waste and pollution, and those groups would not automatically be invited.
Enjoy what you voted for Lincolnshire.
Perhaps the Reform council can make a deal with the boat people migrants for their boats, when the flooding starts.
I know it’s a joke but on the serious side there’s nothing wrong with a u turn when you know you are going in the wrong direction. I’m pleased to see it and hope he goes the same way with the 2 child benefit plan.
If Russell Martin had u turned on his playing style we might have been in a position to reach 12 points a bit sooner.
On another positive note it’s good to see that Labour will be going after developers who stockpile land with planning permission but don’t show a commitment to build, whilst waiting for the value of the land to rise, along with house prices.
They are looking at taking back land that is not being built on and making developers have a building plan, complete with target dates for completion, before giving them planning permission.
Failure to meet targets could lead to fines based on the amount of money councils would lose through not receiving council taxes, which would presumably be accumulating until the project is completed.
I agree. In politics it is called a U turn, in life it is called evaluating the outcome and changing your mind.
If you've got a mind you should be able to change it.
How many people are aware that cheaper to produce energy is priced in line with the most expensive form of fossil energy, (which is gas)?
The piece below explains what happens and points out the savings if renewable energy was priced independently from fossil energy. It also points out the dangers of higher prices if we have another energy crisis.
Worth remembering that Reform UK is against renewable energy, something that could be used against them, should Labour have the balls to address this pricing issue.
Ministers are under pressure to fix Britain’s broken energy market and save households hundreds of pounds on bills.
Eco-tycoon Dale Vince is calling on the government to axe the “utterly mad” rule that prices renewable energy based on the international cost of fossil gas.
The UK wholesale market uses a system where electricity is priced to match the most expensive energy type.
That is usually gas taken from underground – and in 2023, the Green Britain Foundation found the price link added £43billion to energy bills, or an average of £367 for every UK household.
If energy prices returned to their 2022 high, it would add £741 to the average bill – even if homes used mostly clean electricity. Ecotricity founder Mr Vince, who has donated millions to Labour, said: “Labour needs to fix Britain’s broken energy market if it wants to bring down energy bills.
“We’ve got a dodgy market mechanism that ties the price of all electricity to the most expensive source, nearly always fossil gas – mostly imported, and wildly volatile in price. This utterly mad system has been costing us billions.
“I’m waiting for a reply from Keir Starmer and Ed Miliband. Why won’t they break the link now and slash bills?” Renewable energy is now getting cheaper to produce but Mr Vince warned that without change, the UK will continue to be vulnerable to market shocks such as the surge after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.
He added: “By breaking this link, we can become truly energy independent, not just making the energy we need here, but pricing it here too.”
Consumer champion Martin Lewis recently supported the idea, posting online: “We need to delink our electricity prices from the gas price urgently.”
The Department for Energy Security and Net Zero said: “As long as Britain is exposed to global fossil fuel markets, we will be vulnerable to energy price rises over which we have no control.
“We’re looking at market reform, with consumers at the heart of our approach.”
The piece below explains what happens and points out the savings if renewable energy was priced independently from fossil energy. It also points out the dangers of higher prices if we have another energy crisis.
Worth remembering that Reform UK is against renewable energy, something that could be used against them, should Labour have the balls to address this pricing issue.
Ministers are under pressure to fix Britain’s broken energy market and save households hundreds of pounds on bills.
Eco-tycoon Dale Vince is calling on the government to axe the “utterly mad” rule that prices renewable energy based on the international cost of fossil gas.
The UK wholesale market uses a system where electricity is priced to match the most expensive energy type.
That is usually gas taken from underground – and in 2023, the Green Britain Foundation found the price link added £43billion to energy bills, or an average of £367 for every UK household.
If energy prices returned to their 2022 high, it would add £741 to the average bill – even if homes used mostly clean electricity. Ecotricity founder Mr Vince, who has donated millions to Labour, said: “Labour needs to fix Britain’s broken energy market if it wants to bring down energy bills.
“We’ve got a dodgy market mechanism that ties the price of all electricity to the most expensive source, nearly always fossil gas – mostly imported, and wildly volatile in price. This utterly mad system has been costing us billions.
“I’m waiting for a reply from Keir Starmer and Ed Miliband. Why won’t they break the link now and slash bills?” Renewable energy is now getting cheaper to produce but Mr Vince warned that without change, the UK will continue to be vulnerable to market shocks such as the surge after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.
He added: “By breaking this link, we can become truly energy independent, not just making the energy we need here, but pricing it here too.”
Consumer champion Martin Lewis recently supported the idea, posting online: “We need to delink our electricity prices from the gas price urgently.”
The Department for Energy Security and Net Zero said: “As long as Britain is exposed to global fossil fuel markets, we will be vulnerable to energy price rises over which we have no control.
“We’re looking at market reform, with consumers at the heart of our approach.”
starts? If you lived here you would know that Anglian Water bumped our bills up (Mine about 30%) in the past 2 years and the "holding to account" you talk of has seen large parts of Lincolnshire underwater nearly every year in recent times. Just maybe whoever was supposed to be "holding Anglian water to account" needed sacking off. I suspect there is more to this than a headline suggesting they are taking it in house!
And why the need for a separate committee for flooding? Surely it would be better tied in with the committee that deals with the same farmlands that flood?
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I like this policy. Will be a struggle for Labour to get it through but lets get our fingers crossed.