Off Topic Politics Thread

[ImpSaint]

But they are acting, for better or worse. Like abolishing the Carers Visa, which allowed care homes to recruit staff with no qualifications, directly from abroad.

They say they are gonna act! words are meaningless as we have seen when they do not actually act on most of these promises. No one believes him. The left are just moaning about the words he has used or that he has said anything but they know it will result in no action in reality.

Same as Tories talking right wing but not doing anything.

 

[The Ides of March]

The labour party splitting at this point would probably and up with reform winning the next election.

Not a chance! More likely to lose seats or face a wipe out. Have you not seen the big blonde guy off stage, ready and waiting to re-enter, willing to lead whichever way the wind is blowing, to guide the UK into a new golden age of undreamt of riches, with creating a new paradise, with building a "one nation" society? I just can't wait for his great and fantastic return.

 

[Archers Road]

They say they are gonna act! words are meaningless as we have seen when they do not actually act on most of these promises. No one believes him. The left are just moaning about the words he has used or that he has said anything but they know it will result in no action in reality.

Same as Tories talking right wing but not doing anything.

No one believes any politician, that’s true. Which is why I’ve been saying that Labour has until 2028 to make a tangible difference to ordinary people’s lives, or we’re all ****ed. The Tories have been an unmitigated disaster, Reform would be far far worse. The LibDems are fine at running town halls in wealthy boroughs, but have no plan for Government. Labour, for all their faults, are the only grownups in the room.

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

No one believes any politician, that’s true. Which is why I’ve been saying that Labour has until 2028 to make a tangible difference to ordinary people’s lives, or we’re all ****ed. The Tories have been an unmitigated disaster, Reform would be far far worse. The LibDems are fine at running town halls in wealthy boroughs, but have no plan for Government. Labour, for all their faults, are the only grownups in the room.

I'm with you on this,

The Tories IMO will take more than one election cycle to vaguely recover from where they are. Unless Labour make a difference to the ordinary person, then reform will lap up the votes and then IMO we are in trouble.

 

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Reform are a shiny bauble for people who now exist in the age of ten second attention spans. The UniParty lie, and it is a lie as there are clear ideological differences between our parties, justifies most people’s lack of understanding of politics. The undermining of our political system - with no tolerance for long term thinking and reactionary responses to every single word and policy - means political credibility is now secondary, or perhaps tertiary, to the ability to get sound bites right.

Labour splitting would be a disaster in the short term and make the left a much easier target for the rightwing opinion leaders who dominate our society. I believe the best we can hope for is for the left to work from within a centrist Labour to protect the welfare state and ensure education, health and policing are no longer hollowed out.

 

[EasyBreezer]

Net migration over the past 4 years is above 3-million. Higher than the past 12 years combined, which were the 12 years that led towards brexit...

If Starmer makes no attempt to stem the outrageous flow of immigration to this country, Reform will win. End of story.

The speech was nothing close to racist, I have watched and read it and it was very fair in light of actual public opinion.

Lots of sensible ideas
- language standard requirements for both immigrants and all their dependents.
- stop industries importing cheap foreign labour driving down wages in certain sectors (care, nursing, engineering etc..) at the expense of training British people and paying a fair wage.
- changing citizenship from 5 to 10 years.

Its a good start but will need to be followed up by enforcing rules that make large companies invest in the youth of Britain.

The NHS is on its arse in large part to the now over reliance on foreign labour and it's about time someone actually tackled this head on.

It isn't racist to say the country has an immigration problem, apart from apparently when someone, Starmer, tries to say so, even if in a very balanced and nuanced way.

Too many cushy old people with fat pensions morally idealising and ranting at young people who are existing in a society that isn't training them for the actual work requirements of the nation.

Comparing him to Enoch Powell and Nigel Farage is utterly laughable.

If Labour is idealogically a party that can't attempt to understand and deal with immigration levels that are far too high, then we all will end up with Trumpian politics, which none of us want at all.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

No one believes any politician, that’s true. Which is why I’ve been saying that Labour has until 2028 to make a tangible difference to ordinary people’s lives, or we’re all ****ed. The Tories have been an unmitigated disaster, Reform would be far far worse. The LibDems are fine at running town halls in wealthy boroughs, but have no plan for Government. Labour, for all their faults, are the only grownups in the room.

I can’t disagree with this, but it’s disappointing that Starmer is apparently chasing Reform voters now.

 

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I can’t disagree with this, but it’s disappointing that Starmer is apparently chasing Reform voters now.

I think he isn’t. He is chasing Labour voters who feel unheard and are going over to Reform.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

No one believes any politician, that’s true. Which is why I’ve been saying that Labour has until 2028 to make a tangible difference to ordinary people’s lives, or we’re all ****ed. The Tories have been an unmitigated disaster, Reform would be far far worse. The LibDems are fine at running town halls in wealthy boroughs, but have no plan for Government. Labour, for all their faults, are the only grownups in the room.

Archers, stop arguing on here - you've a very important match thread to do!

 

[ChilcoSaint]

I think he isn’t. He is chasing Labour voters who feel unheard and are going over to Reform.

No I get that, but he is borrowing Reform’s clothing to do it, which makes me suspicious.

It’s the same logic which makes him completely rule out joining the Customs Union and Single Market, despite public opinion in the rest of the country being in favour of it, because the Red Wall voted for Brexit.

 

[AshbySaint]

"I'm not antisemitic" is a term commonly used by people about to lay into Israel and think saying that beforehand will excuse the hatred they are about to unleash.

The phrase antisemitic became more commonplace in public around the time Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party. A lot of people on here dismissed accusations of antisemitism within the party with the defence you've used above. Personally, I was unaware of why these claims were being made but once they are, you start to look at events more closely.
The Israeli war with Hamas has shown me that whatever you want to call this hatred for Israel, it exists almost exclusively (muslims excepted) from the left. Why is that? What is it that drives the left wing's hatred of Israel? There are currently more than 110 armed conflicts taking place in the world today but this war gets more attention from the left than any of the others. Is it a coincidence that this one war out of 110 is the only one that involves Jews?
Isn't it a bit strange that not one person from the left on here has expressed any awareness of Israel's difficulties of being surrounded by groups of terrorists intent on destroying them? In some cases quite the opposite. It's as if the 7th October never happened or Israel deserved it. Some of the comments on here straight after that massacre were beyond belief.
"It's not the Jews, it's Israel" as if swapping antisemitism for racism makes everything ok.

Whether it's Antisemitism, anti Zionist or just plain racism, its name really doesn't matter, but it is hatred.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/03/20/a-savage-rupturing-of-our-civilisation/

Sorry what are blabbering on about.
I don’t hate anybody. I do however object to the way Israelis government are killing civilians
I don’t believe in any faith enough to hate anybody that believe in a different one to me. I also have friends that are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and others.
I do object to a government that bombs and kills children and stop aid convoys getting through.

 

[Ian Thumwood]

Take Farage out of the equation and Reform are nothing. I cannot understand why so little is said about Farage's lack of time in his constituency. If i was Starmer, i would have the local Labour branch kick up a stink about this. Surely there are plenty of people there who feel annoyed enough to moot Farage veing challenged ?

Farage will be really easy to defeat....

1. The Reform councils will fail to achieve their objectives and councellors will be involved in scandals due to Facebook , etc. Already had one member found to have been fired from police due to sick live fraud. This will be the first of many.

2. NHS would become unaffordable to most under Reform.

3. Close ties to Trump are unpopular.

4. No one knows what their policies are other than immigration.

5. Little political experience other than their current MPs.

6. Farage's income will come to light and prove an embarrassment.

7. Funding of Reform. Simply need to prove that this is coming from big business and not ordinary people.

8. First past the post voting system.

Reform are given too much credence. The press are bmsetting them up for a fall. They are over hyped and people give too much attention to Farage.

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Broken London?

https://www.theguardian.com/society...nds-social-mobility-league-with-top-20-places

 

[San Tejón]

The Royal College of Emergency Medicine (RCEM) has released figures showing that more than 300 people per week, in 2024, died as a result of long waits for hospital beds.
This is just one more reason why Starmer has to react to the criticism he has received for some of his policies and gain the confidence of those who leant him their votes.
If Labour only lasts for one term they will be replaced by a party that is led by someone who has said that the NHS needs to be replaced by an insurance based health system or by the party that deliberately underfunded the NHS for 14 years, creating the mess that is causing those unnecessary deaths.
Putting billions more into the NHS is a positive step but it won’t be enough, imo, to keep him in power as a result of his benefit cut gaffes.
When times were tough even Thatcher used windfall taxes on banks and Blair taxed the utilities, without doing any immediate harm to their positions.
Starmer should seriously consider doing something similar.

 

[AshbySaint]

I'm genuinely staggered by what Starmer is doing. I'm not a Labour fan by any means but he's making a mockery of everything they stand for. He said in his victory speech after the GE that he wanted to form a government that people could trust (or words to that effect). Turns out he's just another lying **** in a suit.

Can we stop using that 4 letter word please. Others are available

 

[Ian Thumwood]

I see that Lucy Connolly , the wife of the ex-Tory councillor who was jailed for a racist online post demanding the hotels housing immigrants be burned down , is appealing her sentance. She is serving a 33 month term who inciting murder during a very febrile time.

I am surprised she got off so lightly. What amazes me is that critics say the police should be more concerned with other crimes. No one reflects upon the wider implications on society of this stuff which has far wider concerns for non-white people. Her comments were vile and ahe must pay the consequences.

 

[It'sOnlyAGame]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/05/14/why-do-so-many-liberals-have-a-blindspot-on-jew-hatred/

 

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[greensaint]

I see that Lucy Connolly , the wife of the ex-Tory councillor who was jailed for a racist online post demanding the hotels housing immigrants be burned down , is appealing her sentance. She is serving a 33 month term who inciting murder during a very febrile time.

I am surprised she got off so lightly. What amazes me is that critics say the police should be more concerned with other crimes. No one reflects upon the wider implications on society of this stuff which has far wider concerns for non-white people. Her comments were vile and ahe must pay the consequences.

She really is not a nice person imo.

I'm particularly miffed she's playing the 'mental health' card to explain her horrible comments at the time.
This seems to be an increasing ploy from those self-entitled numptys who are asked to take some responsibily for their words and actions.

 

[StJabbo1]

She really is not a nice person imo.

I'm particularly miffed she's playing the 'mental health' card to explain her horrible comments at the time.
This seems to be an increasing ploy from those self-entitled numptys who are asked to take some responsibily for their words and actions.

There's enough tory harridans to form several covens.