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A modest proposal for the Conservative Party:

- Write the names of every current Conservative MP on a slip of paper.
- Put the slips of paper in a big hat.
- Pull out a slip of paper.
- Oh ****, it's Rees-Mogg, put it back, put it back.
- Draw another slip of paper.
- If that person has not had a scandal or been in Cabinet (but I repeat myself) in the last 90 days, they are your new leader.

I can say with 99% confidence that this will result in a better choice than their current process.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
There can hardly be a single country in the world that doesn’t hold us in utter contempt and ridicule.
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We’re basically Italy with worse food, less opera, and not in the EU. And we don’t even win international football tournaments.

I can live without opera though, personally. So it’s not all bad.
 
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What is happening in the UK and its choice of Prime Ministers contrasts quite sharply with Spain. For better or worse, FPTP lumbers the UK with a majority party and recently a succession of poor to terrible PMs. In Spain, Sanchez leads a Government composed of an odd collection of parties from the left, each with its own agenda, and sometimes he needs support from the nationalist groups. Despite this odd collective, he has managed to hold things together and has proved himself to be the ultimate statesperson throughtout these difficult times. How does he do it. I suspect he is a very good negotiator and is able to compromise which to my mind is the sign of a mature and more than capable leader. He would be the kind of person that the UK desperately needs.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
****ing hell.

If this was happening in another country we'd all be looking on aghast/laughing. What a horror show.
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We are looking on with utter bemusement here alright. Our government are loving it as it distracts from the utter failure that they have made in areas such as housing and the cost of living. They are saying, sure it could be worse! Hope ye get a GE very soon as you don't deserve this ****show
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
When Liz Truss started to emerge as the Tory's preferred candidate someone on this board scoffed when I said that a government led by her would not last until Christmas. I am not in the least surprised to see her gone.

I am wondering just how momentous a moment in British history this will turn out to be. In my opinion I can see this being a watershed and listening to Sir Graham Brady speak this evening it if pretty clear that the Tories wil end up with two candidates who broadly take 50% of the parliamentary Conservatives with them. There will be a more centralist faction who will be fighting it out against the lunatic Right. It is quite intiguing to see Boris's name cited as a front runner and I just feel that he will get back in as a kind of "unity" candidate who doesn't quite unify.. With the enquiry into his behaviour still unresolved, I think that the Tories will be stupid enough to be seduced by him only for another scandal to befall our blond friend. The fall-out from the Covid enquiry will almost certainly be devastating but I you sense that any party who was stupid enough to elect Liz Truss as their leader will be far from incapable of making a similar mistake in re-electing Boris.

If feel that the competition to be leader will witlle itself down to Boris and Rishi so opposed to getting any cohesion, the party will become even more dividied. Should Sunak get in, I am sure papers like The Guardian will have enough on him to make his position intenable too.

This really feels like the end of the Consersative and Unionist Party. There will be no unity and, like it or not, either the markets or the unions will ensure that the next incumbant will be brought down too. Any leadership bid will simply underscore how fundamentallydivided the party is. It is not simply that it is unable to government moreover that it is, in fact, a case that it is two idealogically opposed factions that should no longer really be bed-fellows . I feel that the next general election will probably be the most important one since at least the Second World War. We are in a wierd situation where one of the largest political parties in the UK is, in all likelihood, going to split itself in two to form an element more akin to David Cameron's vision of Conservatism and an increasingy irrelevant extremist element that appeals to those demented members of society who still live in the 1950s .

In addition, I feel that there are currently only two parties capable of governing and that is Labour and the SNP. The Liberals will forever been seen as guilty by association through their time in the coalition and there is no way that I san see them making any immediate headway. Labour will get in as soon as cirumstances start to dictate that the Conservatives cannot realistically form a governement . Once elected, they will introdue PR and this will effectively preclude whatever remains of the Conservatives from office for the foreseeable future. With the change in geo-politics and environmental issues concerning people, it would argue that the politcal Right are no longer relevant. The fact that few parties how so spectacularly mismanaged the economy as the Conservatives have in the last month will be a reputation they will never shrug off. Coupled with the bullying tactics before the voting regarding fracking last night, there is huge distate for Conservatism. They will be wiped off the face of the political map in the next general election and will still be arguing amongst themselves. People have written them off before such as in 1997 yet this feels different. Blair offered people a vision that the population bought into as they believed the spin. Starmer has little appeal and, if he had the balls. would call a general strike to kill this governent off. As it stands, Starmer will still win a landslide but simply because the level of incompetence by the Conservatives is so off the scale. the Conservatives are in their death throes.
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enjoy reading your views Ian, however and despite all their disunity I feel the Conservatives will remin as "one party" since to lose the "Conservative" banner would be the death knell for which ever element chose to break away under the FPTP system. I will concede it would be healthier all round if this happened but unlike you, I think the hard right will get stronger while the soft right withers away, something that has happened in France, Italy,, Hungary, and even Germany.
 
By the way, despite having been already debated in one of the cleaners’ cupboards in Westminster, and only attended by one of the governing party, the petition demanding an immediate General Election still continues to amass signatures.

718,000 and rising…
 
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Boris is now neck and neck with Sunak as the bookies favourite to replace Truss. Yesterday he was something like 25/1. Now he's around evens.
 
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