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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    One thing Boris does have is the support of the Tory members so if MP's can't unite on one person.....
     
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  2. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    If he doesn’t get condemned by the Standards Committee first. They are meeting daily with a host of witnesses into the parties and everything else.
     
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  3. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    True.
     
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  4. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    This place is going to make fantastic reading if Boris ends up back in charge.
     
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  5. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    <laugh> Still a massive longshot though.
     
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  6. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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  7. Lemons and Oranges

    Lemons and Oranges Well-Known Member

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    If the Tory MPs vote amongst themselves, with no recourse to the wider (wilder?) Tory party members, then I suspect that Boris would not get a majority. If any decision does go to the party faithful, then Boris would probably win.
     
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  8. thereisonlyoneno7

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    <laugh>

    Not sure which meltdown would be bigger, Boris back or Ralph staying
     
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  9. Shandy_top_89

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    If BJ gets to the Tory membership he will win by a margin of 99.99999999999%, because they are a bunch of obedient little serfs.

    But the MPs are a very big hurdle for him, can’t see them putting him in their top two having just booted him out three months ago.

    He’s probably just doing it for bants, such is Johnson’s general level of seriousness.
     
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  10. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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  11. The 83rd Minute

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    Rishi Sunak versus Boris Johnson, let the infighting and destruction of the Tory party conclude.

    Rishi will be the clear early favourite to win a no contest as the single candidate but wait….

    Who is that fat gibberish fibster with the piss coloured hair entering the race at the last minute?

    It is none other than the Tory Party members favourite, Boris Slimebucket Johnson.

    “Thank you” smiles Sir Keir Starmer

    “****, ****, piss, and corruption.” Says Rishi

    The rest of us can sit back, grab some popcorn and just watch ...
     
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  12. San Tejón

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  13. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    I am thinking of joining the Conservative Party 200,000 times in order to get an Aldi lettuce elected Prime Minister.
     
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  14. Shandy_top_89

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    It’ll be Sunak v A.N Other

    A.N Other will then be the next PM by virtue of Sunak being hated by the majority of Johnson supporting Conservative members.
     
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  15. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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  16. thereisonlyoneno7

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  17. Ian Thumwood

    Ian Thumwood Well-Known Member

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    When Liz Truss started to emerge as the Tory's preferred candidate someone on this board scoffed when I said that a government led by her would not last until Christmas. I am not in the least surprised to see her gone.

    I am wondering just how momentous a moment in British history this will turn out to be. In my opinion I can see this being a watershed and listening to Sir Graham Brady speak this evening it if pretty clear that the Tories wil end up with two candidates who broadly take 50% of the parliamentary Conservatives with them. There will be a more centralist faction who will be fighting it out against the lunatic Right. It is quite intiguing to see Boris's name cited as a front runner and I just feel that he will get back in as a kind of "unity" candidate who doesn't quite unify.. With the enquiry into his behaviour still unresolved, I think that the Tories will be stupid enough to be seduced by him only for another scandal to befall our blond friend. The fall-out from the Covid enquiry will almost certainly be devastating but I you sense that any party who was stupid enough to elect Liz Truss as their leader will be far from incapable of making a similar mistake in re-electing Boris.

    If feel that the competition to be leader will witlle itself down to Boris and Rishi so opposed to getting any cohesion, the party will become even more dividied. Should Sunak get in, I am sure papers like The Guardian will have enough on him to make his position intenable too.

    This really feels like the end of the Consersative and Unionist Party. There will be no unity and, like it or not, either the markets or the unions will ensure that the next incumbant will be brought down too. Any leadership bid will simply underscore how fundamentallydivided the party is. It is not simply that it is unable to government moreover that it is, in fact, a case that it is two idealogically opposed factions that should no longer really be bed-fellows . I feel that the next general election will probably be the most important one since at least the Second World War. We are in a wierd situation where one of the largest political parties in the UK is, in all likelihood, going to split itself in two to form an element more akin to David Cameron's vision of Conservatism and an increasingy irrelevant extremist element that appeals to those demented members of society who still live in the 1950s .

    In addition, I feel that there are currently only two parties capable of governing and that is Labour and the SNP. The Liberals will forever been seen as guilty by association through their time in the coalition and there is no way that I san see them making any immediate headway. Labour will get in as soon as cirumstances start to dictate that the Conservatives cannot realistically form a governement . Once elected, they will introdue PR and this will effectively preclude whatever remains of the Conservatives from office for the foreseeable future. With the change in geo-politics and environmental issues concerning people, it would argue that the politcal Right are no longer relevant. The fact that few parties how so spectacularly mismanaged the economy as the Conservatives have in the last month will be a reputation they will never shrug off. Coupled with the bullying tactics before the voting regarding fracking last night, there is huge distate for Conservatism. They will be wiped off the face of the political map in the next general election and will still be arguing amongst themselves. People have written them off before such as in 1997 yet this feels different. Blair offered people a vision that the population bought into as they believed the spin. Starmer has little appeal and, if he had the balls. would call a general strike to kill this governent off. As it stands, Starmer will still win a landslide but simply because the level of incompetence by the Conservatives is so off the scale. the Conservatives are in their death throes.
     
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    Random bit of trivia: when Truss' replacement arrives, they will be the fifth consecutive Conservative PM. The last time 5+ PMs came from the same party, it was the Tories in the early 19th century. But that was over a span of 21 years, and two of those died in office.
     
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  20. Shandy_top_89

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    Didn't think Johnson would make that 100 threshold, but he is charging in front of the MP nominations.

    Nearly at 50 already.

    He gets there and you might as well crown him on the spot.
     
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