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Except for Jeremy Corbyn <ok>

Lol. In answer to the prior question I can't see what the problem is with what Davies has said.

HE is right that politicians are out of touch with what the "working class" think about immigration. That has been quite clear for a long long time. He is also right that the public do not want government to "go soft" on illegal immigrants.

See this is the modern world where people conflate a result of poor administration of a policy with it being a deliberate action of the policy or the policy itself.

The word "illegal" is key. There is nothing wrong with deporting illegal immigrants, in fact there is nothing wrong with dealing with illegal anything. We expect it to happen and would go mad if it didn't. The problem is not to do with illegal immigration at all despite how much those who are crying from the roof tops with their new bone to chew on that it is. The problem is to do with people that are not illegal being caught up in the problem which is quite different to what Philip Davies has said above.

No problem with them attacking Rudd for legal immigrants AND in a lot of cases British citizens being put through this process. Shouldn't have happened. They should have sorted out making sure people had completed the required process before they enforced the policy. It is completely disingenuous for Abbott to imply it was a racist act ignoring the many examples of white immigrants caught up and it is completely disingenous to pick up on a comment about illegal immigration when this is a case of poor administration and not the actual policy being wrong.

Is the policy right? Yes. Illegal is illegal. Is the administration of that policy right? Nope it has been shameful mis admininstered as per usual. Are those being very vocal about it being entirely genuine with their concerns? To a point they are but then they are adding a load of agenda on top as well and blurring the lines just as those attacking dear Jeremy have suddenly got a CV fighting anti-semitism through their whole political career and busey blurring the lines between jews and Israel for their own aims.

If you listened to Dianne Abbots claims of "institutional racism" this week and her statement "this wouldn't have happened if these were white faces" earlier this week/last week then it is she who is utilising this argument both to attack the government and then to push the racist agenda at the same time.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with what Philip Davies says. You can't pick up on one thing he says and then pretend it means something else though. There should be more politicians like him and John Mann that say what they actually think rather than what they think they should say or what will go down well. Far tooo many like Yvette Cooper in there with their crocodile tears and faux concern.
 
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Lol. In answer to the prior question I can't see what the problem is with what Davies has said.

HE is right that politicians are out of touch with what the "working class" think about immigration. That has been quite clear for a long long time. He is also right that the public do not want government to "go soft" on illegal immigrants.

See this is the modern world where people conflate a result of poor administration of a policy with it being a deliberate action of the policy or the policy itself.

The word "illegal" is key. There is nothing wrong with deporting illegal immigrants, in fact there is nothing wrong with dealing with illegal anything. We expect it to happen and would go mad if it didn't. The problem is not to do with illegal immigration at all despite how much those who are crying from the roof tops with their new bone to chew on that it is. The problem is to do with people that are not illegal being caught up in the problem which is quite different to what Philip Davies has said above.

No problem with them attacking Rudd for legal immigrants AND in a lot of cases British citizens being put through this process. Shouldn't have happened. They should have sorted out making sure people had completed the required process before they enforced the policy. It is completely disingenuous for Abbott to imply it was a racist act ignoring the many examples of white immigrants caught up and it is completely disingenous to pick up on a comment about illegal immigration when this is a case of poor administration and not the actual policy being wrong.

Is the policy right? Yes. Illegal is illegal. Is the administration of that policy right? Nope it has been shameful mis admininstered as per usual. Are those being very vocal about it being entirely genuine with their concerns? To a point they are but then they are adding a load of agenda on top as well and blurring the lines just as those attacking dear Jeremy have suddenly got a CV fighting anti-semitism through their whole political career and busey blurring the lines between jews and Israel for their own aims.

If you listened to Dianne Abbots claims of "institutional racism" this week and her statement "this wouldn't have happened if these were white faces" earlier this week/last week then it is she who is utilising this argument both to attack the government and then to push the racist agenda at the same time.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with what Philip Davies says. You can't pick up on one thing he says and then pretend it means something else though. There should be more politicians like him and John Mann that say what they actually think rather than what they think they should say or what will go down well. Far tooo many like Yvette Cooper in there with their crocodile tears and faux concern.


On the subject of what the working class think, about immigration or anything else, I am with Sid Vicious, who famously said "I've met the man in the street, and he's a c**t".

The purpose of leadership is exactly that, to lead, not to follow. Especially not to follow the base instinct and ill informed prejudice of the worst of the electorate.

On the subject of public opinion in a democracy btw, I've just finished reading Livy's Early History of the Roman Republic - which I think you'd enjoy, if you haven't already read it. It makes two things abundently clear; first, as Marx observed, all history truly is the history of class struggle. And second, the best recipe for tyranny is a populist leader beloved of the mob.
 
Lol. In answer to the prior question I can't see what the problem is with what Davies has said.

HE is right that politicians are out of touch with what the "working class" think about immigration. That has been quite clear for a long long time. He is also right that the public do not want government to "go soft" on illegal immigrants.

See this is the modern world where people conflate a result of poor administration of a policy with it being a deliberate action of the policy or the policy itself.

The word "illegal" is key. There is nothing wrong with deporting illegal immigrants, in fact there is nothing wrong with dealing with illegal anything. We expect it to happen and would go mad if it didn't. The problem is not to do with illegal immigration at all despite how much those who are crying from the roof tops with their new bone to chew on that it is. The problem is to do with people that are not illegal being caught up in the problem which is quite different to what Philip Davies has said above.

No problem with them attacking Rudd for legal immigrants AND in a lot of cases British citizens being put through this process. Shouldn't have happened. They should have sorted out making sure people had completed the required process before they enforced the policy. It is completely disingenuous for Abbott to imply it was a racist act ignoring the many examples of white immigrants caught up and it is completely disingenous to pick up on a comment about illegal immigration when this is a case of poor administration and not the actual policy being wrong.

Is the policy right? Yes. Illegal is illegal. Is the administration of that policy right? Nope it has been shameful mis admininstered as per usual. Are those being very vocal about it being entirely genuine with their concerns? To a point they are but then they are adding a load of agenda on top as well and blurring the lines just as those attacking dear Jeremy have suddenly got a CV fighting anti-semitism through their whole political career and busey blurring the lines between jews and Israel for their own aims.

If you listened to Dianne Abbots claims of "institutional racism" this week and her statement "this wouldn't have happened if these were white faces" earlier this week/last week then it is she who is utilising this argument both to attack the government and then to push the racist agenda at the same time.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with what Philip Davies says. You can't pick up on one thing he says and then pretend it means something else though. There should be more politicians like him and John Mann that say what they actually think rather than what they think they should say or what will go down well. Far tooo many like Yvette Cooper in there with their crocodile tears and faux concern.

I have no problems with illegal immigrants. Just deport the terrible Conservative Government instead (Wishful thinking)
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43921385

Some good news for once by the looks.

"The leaders of North and South Korea have agreed to work to rid the peninsula of nuclear weapons after holding an historic summit."

i'm sure trump will try to find some way to claim it was him though.

His name is going to be put forward for the Nobel Peace prize, I can hear the howling at the moon from the left already
 
On the subject of what the working class think, about immigration or anything else, I am with Sid Vicious, who famously said "I've met the man in the street, and he's a c**t".

The purpose of leadership is exactly that, to lead, not to follow. Especially not to follow the base instinct and ill informed prejudice of the worst of the electorate.

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They’ll have them voting on key decisions about our political sovereignty next!
 
Breaking news: Amber Rudd has resigned as Home Secretary. She has found new documents about targets for immigration and removals which she apparently didn’t know about.
 
Breaking news: Amber Rudd has resigned as Home Secretary. She has found new documents about targets for immigration and removals which she apparently didn’t know about.
Have seen Liz Truss and Therese Coffey paying tribute to a 'compassionate' and 'class act' politician, in Amber Rudd.

What ****ing planet are these people on? Jesus ****ing Christ.