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Have seen Liz Truss and Therese Coffey paying tribute to a 'compassionate' and 'class act' politician, in Amber Rudd.

What ****ing planet are these people on? Jesus ****ing Christ.
Let’s hope Rudd dishes the dirt on her predecessor from the back benches in the next week or so. If anyone was responsible for this nasty policy it was Theresa May.
 
All that effort by the right media to paint Corbyn as a rabid anti-semite and then the Windrush scandal breaks to show the Tories in their true light...as twas ever thus.
 
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Trying to pretend she didn't know anything about what was obviously a Government policy, these MPs will say anything to try to save their skin. there is no honour in Whitehall anymore.

This is so true from most MPs in all
Parties. They think that the initials MP stand for May Purvey the truth (when they feel
Like it).

Another reason why I don’t like politics.
 
Time for Mrs May to have a cabinet reshuffle, and bring in someone from the other side of politics, someone who has more visión and clarity than her entire cabinet. Sack the beyond useless Boris Johnson and have a person of stature in the foreign office, Peter Mandelson. And then go back to the Lords and find a cross-bencher to do the Home Secretary´s job.
 
All that effort by the right media to paint Corbyn as a rabid anti-semite and then the Windrush scandal breaks to show the Tories in their true light...as twas ever thus.

The problem with the media is that the sales of the daily papers that are traditionally right wing outnumber those of those considered to be traditionally left wing by around a ratio of 4:1.
Don’t know how the Sunday’s impact on that, but would guess it would be similar.
This is why the BBC needs to up it’s game and become more neutral, to try and counter the lack of balance in the written media.
My late dad never touched a computer in his life, so picked up his political views from the paper he read.
 
The problem with the media is that the sales of the daily papers that are traditionally right wing outnumber those of those considered to be traditionally left wing by around a ratio of 4:1.
Don’t know how the Sunday’s impact on that, but would guess it would be similar.
This is why the BBC needs to up it’s game and become more neutral, to try and counter the lack of balance in the written media.
My late dad never touched a computer in his life, so picked up his political views from the paper he read.


Mine were partly shaped by reading the great social and economic historian Eric Hobsbawm for my History "A" level course. Then you have powerful films like Ghandi, Waterloo, the Battle of Britain, Churchill, into which the viewer needs to be aware of bias from a certain perspective. As for a TV series, Michael Portillo´s "Railways" is a fantastic commentary of issues that affected everyone in the 19th and 20th century. And of course the plethora of popular novels and novellists such as Sheldon Smith, Jeffrey Archer, Ben Elton, the Brontes, Austen, Dickens. The only newspapers I read these days are Diario de Mallorca and Ultima Hora.
 
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Just sent out my local election postal vote. Local elections is the one i ignore tactical voting and just vote for the one who's policies interested me. Waited as long as I could but the Labour candidate was the only candidate to put anything through my door explaining his policy at all so had a pretty easy choice this time *shrug*.
 
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The vote in the House of Lords, to amend the EU Withdrawal Bill, to prevent us leaving with “No deal”, is a good thing, isn’t it?

All I am seeing is the Tories spinning this as an attempt by Remainers to thwart Brexit and remain in the EU, (something that will probably be brought to the fore by the media that support Brexit) when it appears to be a safeguard to prevent us crashing out of the Union with no trade deals in place to carry the country forward. (Something that probably won’t be brought to the fore by the media supporting Brexit).
 
Just sent out my local election postal vote. Local elections is the one i ignore tactical voting and just vote for the one who's policies interested me. Waited as long as I could but the Labour candidate was the only candidate to put anything through my door explaining his policy at all so had a pretty easy choice this time *shrug*.

COYRs <laugh>
 
On the subject of what the working class think, about immigration or anything else, I am with Sid Vicious, who famously said "I've met the man in the street, and he's a c**t".

The purpose of leadership is exactly that, to lead, not to follow. Especially not to follow the base instinct and ill informed prejudice of the worst of the electorate.

On the subject of public opinion in a democracy btw, I've just finished reading Livy's Early History of the Roman Republic - which I think you'd enjoy, if you haven't already read it. It makes two things abundently clear; first, as Marx observed, all history truly is the history of class struggle. And second, the best recipe for tyranny is a populist leader beloved of the mob.


I don't read stuff on politics. Politics is about the here and now not the past. If you want to read about politics you read things that are relatively current or are affecting the current.

And I would agree about class struggle but then nothing has changed there. Race and other parts are utilised quite often in terms of class struggle arguments and the Windrush thingamy is pretty much all about class rather than race. I would bet the vast majority of those caught up in this scandal were poorer folks that didn;t know they had to do anything whereas those with a bit more money "had their houses in order."
 
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Owen Jones earns a lot of money from speaking on behalf of the down trodden. He'll bring out another book soon. This time will the working class be poor people that are hard done by or idiots that have been led to vote leave? One day he will make his mind up.............while counting his (not) capitalist hoard of cash.
 
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