Off Topic Politics Thread

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Osvaldorama said:
Leaders should lead. Not break rules then pardon their friends. It’s why the Tories should have all resigned after party gate and called an election immediately. I don’t accept that politicians are above the rules. They are supposed to work for us.

But also, people shouldn’t be fooled by identity politics in the way they are. There were many people on here that believed Joe Biden was a good person. This was a lie.

These same people believe Labour are good people and less corrupt than the Tories.

The same people that complain about Elon musk but don’t bat an eyelid that Qatar are the largest donor to the Labour Party and many MPs

(Ed Milibands largest donor is a foreign billionaire. Where was the outrage there?)
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Come on mate, what's the surprise? Red or Blue on both sides of the pond are lying, scheming hypocrites who are quite happy to shout from the roof top their enemies indiscretions, even if they do the same. It's politics. They're all self serving ****s.
 
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LincolnSaint said:
Come on mate, what's the surprise? Red or Blue on both sides of the pond are lying, scheming hypocrites who are quite happy to shout from the roof top their enemies indiscretions, even if they do the same. It's politics. They're all self serving ****s.
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I agree; that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time.

But a few on here seemed to think Joe Biden was some honourable old grandpa that would save the USA from nasty people.
 
StJabbo1 said:
I have done along with a look at the electoral commission rules for donations and loans which exclude Qatar. This will help to clear up your misunderstanding. It's better not to post links to crackpots on twaXter.
https://www.electoralcommission.org...ritain/who-can-you-accept-donations-and-loans
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...h-250000-worth-of-freebies-ahead-of-world-cup

https://members.parliament.uk/member/1510/registeredinterests - Ed miliband largest donors list. Directly benefits from the climate scam
 
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It's Only A Game said:
Looks like Hunter Biden wasn't the only one to get a pardon. Did Joe let @StJabbo1 out as well? So that's his son and his dad out now. A life sentence commuted to less than a month is an impressive reduction Jabbo.
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Should that soap reference be regarded as a homophobic slur? Surely something for the mods to consider.
 
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ImpSaint said:
bye bye Elgin marbles.......not that it affects 99% of us. I've personally never seen them nor had any interest in them but hey.......lets get some faux outrage going. Just to pass the time.
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I’ve seen them several times. They were damaged before they ever got to the U.K., several friezes have heads missing where they were carved off and carried away by previous generations of collectors and dealers. Still well worth a visit to the British Museum, which is probably my favourite building in London. It’s absolutely full of plunder, but some of that plunder would never have been preserved in it’s original homelands.

Ignore all the puff and bluster in the media: This has little to do with either government, it’s an ongoing negotiation between The British Museum and the Acropolis Museum, and will happen eventually. There’s a lot to thrash out in terms of academic access etc. If the Elgin Marbles go back to Greece I’ll celebrate that; if they stay in London a little longer, enjoy them while they’re still here.
 
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StJabbo1 said:
I thought you were offski. "TBH, I think I will leave this thread at this point." Welcome back. Good if they go, the marbles belong where they were looted from along with a lot of other pillaged treasures.
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Tbf, Lord Elgin didn’t loot them he paid for them, and the British Museum have done a great job of preserving them for posterity in the meantime. Trouble is, he paid the Ottoman Turks, not the Greeks, which is awkward. They should probably be returned to Athens at this point.
 
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Archers Road said:
Tbf, Lord Elgin didn’t loot them he paid for them, and the British Museum have done a great job of preserving them for posterity in the meantime. Trouble is, he paid the Ottoman Turks, not the Greeks, which is awkward. They should probably be returned to Athens at this point.
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Agreed. Plus the Acropolis Museum is ace.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
I agree; that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time.

But a few on here seemed to think Joe Biden was some honourable old grandpa that would save the USA from nasty people.
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I don’t think that Joe Biden is some ‘honourable grandpa’, just that IMO he is a nicer human being than Trump.

Low bar that though, so don’t read too much into it.
 
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US psychologist and political strategist Drew Westen - The Political Brain

“In politics, when reason and emotion collide, emotion invariably wins”. The right was much more skilled on this terrain, weaving compelling human stories while its opponents tended to take refuge “in reciting their best facts and figures, as if they were trying to prevail in a high school debate tournament”
 
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shoot_spiderman said:
US psychologist and political strategist Drew Westen - The Political Brain

“In politics, when reason and emotion collide, emotion invariably wins”. The right was much more skilled on this terrain, weaving compelling human stories while its opponents tended to take refuge “in reciting their best facts and figures, as if they were trying to prevail in a high school debate tournament”
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Yeah, I saw that quote the other day. I’m not quite ready to believe that the age of reason is dead; but the voice of reason probably needs a more compelling narrative.

Also, there’s no mileage in quoting headline figures about the economy, when those figures don’t conflate with people’s experience of their own personal economy. A pervasive sense of economic insecurity undermines faith in government, whatever story Wall Street (or the City) is telling.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Which is exactly my point. You only think this because the media told you to
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No, it’s obvious to any neutral observer; Biden may have many flaws, but there is an underlying decency about him. Trump is a moral degenerate with no obvious redeeming fearures. I don’t need the media to tell me that (and it’s news to me that they do, in any case).
 
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