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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

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    Truss is so screwed now.
     
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    Recently?....what about all the times when this government were raping and pillaging our country for their own ends. What about the absolutely brazen corruption over the PPE purchases which was so apparent to everyone during the pandemic? Didn't say much about that did they? The Times and 90% of the mainstream media are biased, gutless and bend the truth to suit a particular agenda. Recently isn't good enough.

    You would be hard pressed to find any reporters with enough balls to tell it how it really is these day, so please don't try and pretend the media in this country is some kind of beacon of truth, because it really is not. There are a few reporters who do a fair job but that is not enough and it never will be enough, but believe the media are honest if that does it for you.

    The lack of trust in the media is due to the same reasons that people have a lack of trust in politicians, the police and financiers. They see it with their own eyes and most of us are sick and bloody tired of the lies, deceit and open dishonesty among those people we should be able to trust. It is hardly surprising that it has got this bad when you look at the two faced dishonest slob we have had as a Prime Minister and the collection of arseholes he surrounded himself with.

    This is not aimed at you personally, and as you know I have a huge amount of respect for your father in law.

    If only today's media could have his courage for digging out and presenting the truth.
     
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  5. Osvaldorama

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    Im attacking the system not the retirees.

    I think you read that post wrong mate
     
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  6. saintrichie123

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  7. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    A system I paid into in every job I had from the age of 18 onwards, and was happy to because I would benefit from it myself.

    I think you should re-read what you wrote, mate.
     
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  8. Osvaldorama

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    You mean the system which just caused the government to pay £11bn to the Bank of England to bail out reckless decision makers?

    The system that is causing the very inflation which the triple lock is trying to protect retirees from?

    No. I will not change what I wrote. The system is ****ed.

    People of your age shouldn’t be forced to pay into a system where their pensions are gambled and could collapse at any minute. You should be able to save in a hard money that doesn’t get eroded away over time.

    It’s a disgrace that you’ve saved all your money into a system that doesn’t value your savings properly. And I hope for everyone’s sake that it can survive the inept government and that everyone has a pension left.
     
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  9. ChilcoSaint

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    Ok I see where you're coming from now, and you make a very strong point. The problem is that under capitalism there's no such thing as a safe way of investing money without a risk of losing part or all of it.
     
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    That’s not actually true. There is no way of investing in this version of crony capitalism because the money system is based on nothing.

    When the currency was backed by gold, there was little to no inflation and you could actually save your way to success.

    The era of central banking and then the eventual move to fiat currency has ultimately robbed everyone of true capitalism that rewards work
     
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    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Maybe, but as dear old Charlie Marx said, the seeds of it's own destruction are sown deep in the belly of capitalism.
     
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    Glad to see Chilco and Osi have made up. For me, a 71 year old pensioner, and my partner.. we have cared for both of my parents until death, including a mother with dementia. We are now first on call to my mother-in-law who is frail and 90 odd. We have provided childcare to 4 grandchildren. This isn't a sob story, just saying, being a pensioner these days isn't a holiday till you die. Social Care is largely non existant, childcare is hugely expensive. Imagined my retirement would be a time for long holidays and more.. Instead we have to find satisfaction in caring for multiple generations, largely because we see a need that successive governments have ignored. Keep that tripple lock, it's a whole lot cheaper than other forms of care..
     
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  13. Osvaldorama

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    It’s a long and complex topic. But I feel very strongly that capitalism is massively better than Marxism or communism.

    Free markets are the best way for societies to come to decisions. Millions of inputs based on people’s free choice and protecting their property rights by law.

    Unfortunately; for free market capitalism to work properly, you have to be able to trust the base later (aka the money). Unfortunately we can’t trust either the money itself or the corrupt financial institutions that leech off of it. Which is why we see degradation across the western world.
     
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    Greedy bastards gotta be greedy bastards, that's the problem.
     
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    For anyone not following our regular daily political acid trip.

    Liz Truss allegedly sacked the Chief Whip in the division lobby mid fracking vote.

    Also Government ministers allegedly manhandling back benchers into the voting lobby.

    This could collapse tonight.

    More interested in this than the match.
     
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    Is it a case of either/or. Is it not time to think outside the box. Both capitalism and communism central tennants are, in my view, economic. If we are to survive on this planet surely there needs to be a qualitative as well as a quantative perspective rather than measurement.
     
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    I thought he was spot on…
     
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  18. ChilcoSaint

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    BREAKING: Footballer Paul Gascoigne has arrived at the House of Commons saying he is a friend of Liz Truss
     
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    Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

    "Little to no inflation", except when there was a whole lot of inflation. Or a whole lot of deflation. We're actually coming off the longest sustained period without either extremely high inflation or significant deflation (which is even worse) in history.

    The biggest driver of inflation, by the numbers, is increased corporate profit-taking. Goldbuggery has nothing to do with it.
     
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