Players collapsing with increasing regularity?

[GodAlmighty]

How do you get an ECG test? Do you just rock up to the hospital or your GP? (Serious question as I genuinely don't know how you get one just to test the in case scenario)

When I had heart problems I was only given an ECG test at the GPs after 3 appointments (first 2 were telephone appointments). That ECG showed an abnormality. I was then transferred to an A&E and some 6 hours later had another ECG which showed nothing so was sent home. Problems continued so was eventually after 4 months sent for a 24 ECG test which picked something up.

I would also say as well I initially put off going to the GP as I thought it was a pulled muscle and took about 3 weeks to get me to book that first appointment. I'm still on a referral list to see a specialist some 16 months later.

Step by step guide from my own experience.

1) Start to feel a really cold sensation in bottom of throat
2) getting pins and needles in arms
3) a feeling like a traffic cone has just jumped you with its mates in the chest
4) ring 999
5) will be the first bit of kit the paramedics pull out.

 

[Magnet]

Not sure there - here you just say I want on ECG with stress test and give them your Credit Card and off you go.

They have these clinics here that do a complete Wellness Check, which includes that with all the usual tests. They just put you on a treadmill and gradually increase the speed while monitoring your heart. If the treadmill gets too fast for you you end up losing most of your chest hair.

What they shave your chest for not being fit? What sort of health provision is that?

 

[JakartaToon]

Step by step guide from my own experience.

1) Start to feel a really cold sensation in bottom of throat
2) getting pins and needles in arms
3) a feeling like a traffic cone has just jumped you with its mates in the chest
4) ring 999
5) will be the first bit of kit the paramedics pull out.

If you have to wait until this series of events it's probably a bit late for the test!. Does look as though the NHS doesn't routinely screen people for this so you would have to go private. Looking at the cost of the tests they probably wouldn't have to stress you running on the treadmill, they could just provide you with the invoice.

 

[Magnet]

Step by step guide from my own experience.

1) Start to feel a really cold sensation in bottom of throat
2) getting pins and needles in arms
3) a feeling like a traffic cone has just jumped you with its mates in the chest
4) ring 999
5) will be the first bit of kit the paramedics pull out.

So on number 3 that’s definitely the chest area and not your eye?

[HASHTAG]#askingforafriend[/HASHTAG]

 

[JakartaToon]

What they shave your chest for not being fit? What sort of health provision is that?

Try running on a treadmill inclined at 10% at 15km/h, with 6 electrodes attached to you chest and connected to a machine parked in front of the treadmill and you will understand the issue.

 

[GodAlmighty]

So on number 3 that’s definitely the chest area and not your eye?

[HASHTAG]#askingforafriend[/HASHTAG]

Was on the chest for me but I can understand the question with a reference a friend

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[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

Step by step guide from my own experience.

1) Start to feel a really cold sensation in bottom of throat
2) getting pins and needles in arms
3) a feeling like a traffic cone has just jumped you with its mates in the chest
4) ring 999
5) will be the first bit of kit the paramedics pull out.

But how do you get the test before all that?

 

[GodAlmighty]

But how do you get the test before all that?

It's only required to confirm a heart attack.......as in it tells them there is a big ****ing problem. It's not going to work if its just Joe Bloggs being a tart with heart burn.

 

[GodAlmighty]

......However if you go for a checkup and say its something your worried about they can check your blood pressure (so do most chemists) and your cholestrol and quite frankly if someone needs told they're a fat **** they will say your BMI is a tad high so as not to offend.

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

It's only required to confirm a heart attack.......as in it tells them there is a big ****ing problem. It's not going to work if its just Joe Bloggs being a tart with heart burn.

Yes but the ECG can flag up a whole host of heart issues. Hidden heart issues. Hidden heart issues that looks to be causing problems in football stadiums.

 

[GodAlmighty]

Yes but the ECG can flag up a whole host of heart issues. Hidden heart issues. Hidden heart issues that looks to be causing problems in football stadiums.

It can't like......it simply tells them at the time what your heart rate is doing and if there is any anomalies at the time. They can do one where you wear a portable one for a few days and go through the data, if anything is suss they will then send you for x-rays and scans that will show them the problem, an injection of dye etc to see if there is anything clogged in the arteries.

If your in doubt go see your GP, If your actually getting pains then go to casualty. Its possible to have a silent heart attack so if in doubt get it checked out.

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

It can't like......it simply tells them at the time what your heart rate is doing and if there is any anomalies at the time. They can do one where you wear a portable one for a few days and go through the data, if anything is suss they will then send you for x-rays and scans that will show them the problem, an injection of dye etc to see if there is anything clogged in the arteries.

If your in doubt go see your GP, If your actually getting pains then go to casualty. Its possible to have a silent heart attack so if in doubt get it checked out.

I've done all this. An ECG does not state the condition it just flags up a potential problem. Then further investigations. But as most heart issues are silent then waiting until you physically notice the issue isn't a good preventative measure.

 

[GodAlmighty]

I've done all this. An ECG does not state the condition it just flags up a potential problem. Then further investigations. But as most heart issues are silent then waiting until you physically notice the issue isn't a good preventative measure.

Keep 6 75mg Asprin's in your wallet. Best advice I can give. If you get a pain in the chest and pins and needles get the asprin chewed and the powder under your tongue (gets in the blood quicker and thins it)

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

Keep 6 75mg Asprin's in your wallet. Best advice I can give. If you get a pain in the chest and pins and needles get the asprin chewed and the powder under your tongue (gets in the blood quicker and thins it)

Personally I've got that but also the spray stuff, think it widens the arteries. Gch or something like that

 

[GodAlmighty]

Personally I've got that but also the spray stuff, think it widens the arteries. Gch or something like that

Never knew you had that, so they obviously think there is a problem?

 

[JakartaToon]

I've done all this. An ECG does not state the condition it just flags up a potential problem. Then further investigations. But as most heart issues are silent then waiting until you physically notice the issue isn't a good preventative measure.

It's only required to confirm a heart attack.......as in it tells them there is a big ****ing problem. It's not going to work if its just Joe Bloggs being a tart with heart burn.

An ECG stress test will actually show how well your heart is performing, the presence of any arrhythmia, the size of each of the ventricles and whether there may be any damage or blocked arteries.

If it showed anything up they would normally get you in for more tests and scans.

I had mine done initially as part of a life insurance policy, where they insisted on it, so presumably they can assess risk from it.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I think its a combination of three things:
1) We have had/are having a COVID pandemic where one of the unfortunate long term effects of the disease on some people is myocarditis and pericarditis - the symptoms of these are very similar to a heart attack and the weaknesses caused by them can lead to heart failure (146 cases per 100000 cf 1-10 cases/year per 100000 before COVID)
2) We have carried out probably the biggest ever vaccination programme in a very short space of time, using vaccines that in some cases are known to also lead to the same symptoms in a few cases, with incidences higher in children and young people (0.3 - 5 cases per 100000)
3) there are probably a large number of cases of supporters who are significantly less fit/overweight (studies showed people eating and drinking more during lockdowns and actually getting less exercise - this was most pronounced in the 50-70year olds, prime victims for heart issues

Think its hardly surprising we are seeing more people with heart issues at football matches. I would suspect we will be seeing more people overall with such issues.

Its interesting that we saw no cases at Newcastle until Eddie Howe took charge. A clear indication that the excitement of the football on display may also have an impact. Somebody should check this out.

There is not really an awful lot can be done about it. Maybe a campaign to make people more aware of the importance of having an ECG/stress test, starting putting health warnings on biscuits/cakes/sweets, persuading people to reduce BMI's, treating gym memberships and other sports memberships fees as tax write-offs, making it compulsory for all offices of a certain size to provide a free gym and fitness instructor for staff and treat time spent in the gym as overtime, to be reimbursed by the government, paying a component of Universal Credit in vouchers that can only be used to buy fruit & veg, making all the highest risk people watch Burnley.

Aye maybe its just the jump from Rafa/Bruce to Eddie. Maybe we should have had a stepping stone to ease us in.

I'm not convinced by this whole vaccine process. Not something I'm rushing to get at present (probably not ever having had COVID). I might change my mind when I'm a lot older and come into a vulnerable category as your immune system wanes. I think they are clearly generally safe looking at how many have had it (albeit the long term data isn't in yet). It does generally look to me it depends how you look after yourself. There will be outliers in terms of the odd unlucky soul, but with the recent reveals via the ONS on how many have actually died of COVID alone without other factors, I think we've been a bit hasty vaccinating every ****er and 'science' as they like to call it has been questionable. These things are rarely about health, and are more about money in my eyes. Otherwise you'd vaccinate every vulnerable **** on the planet first surely? Its a bit of a joke when we have poor countries around the world with vulnerable ****ers genuinely at risk, and the rich countries are working through their 5-11 year olds who have very little benefit from the vaccine when compared with dangers from COVID (and that's by their own admission).

As you say if we truly gave a **** about people we'd be offering discounts on healthy living and pushing it like ****. Away from the whole drama of COVID, we've sleepwalked into a health crisis through processed foods, lack of an active lifestyle, and a multitude of other sins. Its criminal that we guilt people into taking some vaccine, while we've ignored the impact the above has had on the health service for years. I believe in free choice on vaccines and how you live your life in general. However the fact we don't even make much of an effort to guide people and turn a blind eye because some big corporation lines our pockets is a bit sickening. You pay all these taxes to these ****s and its as true as ever that they really couldn't give a **** about you when it all comes down to it. I'd love to hit most of our MP's and those in the media with some of those pans everyone was banging for the NHS.

 

[GodAlmighty]

An ECG stress test will actually show how well your heart is performing, the presence of any arrhythmia, the size of each of the ventricles and whether there may be any damage or blocked arteries.

If it showed anything up they would normally get you in for more tests and scans.

I had mine done initially as part of a life insurance policy, where they insisted on it, so presumably they can assess risk from it.

**** the life insurance policy, critical illness is the one you want for heart attacks

 

[JakartaToon]

**** the life insurance policy, critical illness is the one you want for heart attacks

Its not for my benefit - its for the Mrs. She will probably just leave me for a couple of hours before calling the ambulance to make sure the policy will pay out.