RIP that fella. It is a little concerning that the increase in these events is happening. Seems like elevated stress or adrenaline levels seems to trigger these events more often now.
I think they are starting to talk more openly about it now though, the guys on soccer Saturday all commented yesterday as these things were happening about the regularity. Johnson’s comments suggest behind the scenes the clubs and their medical professionals are discussing it. It’s a little harsh to expect managers to give an opinion and I don’t think it’s right they are being asked the questions while the authorities stay quiet on the matter. They could nip it in the bud quite quickly by just issuing a statement saying we are looking into what is happening. He was clearly uncomfortable discussing it and ended up sounding like an idiot. He’s not a medical professional and shouldn’t be expected to repeat what he is being told by them behind the scenes or what the players etc are speculating about. It’s not right, he’s there to manage and train a football team (very poorly thankfully ). All the non comment has done is forced people to speculate what’s going on, that’s normal human nature. Regardless of the cause or reason for both fans and players, it’s very sad when someone doesn’t see the other side of it.
I think the authorities are commenting on it, aren't they? There have been numerous announcements about the long term effects of Covid, in particular with regard to damage to the heart and lungs.
Not really discussing the collapses in the crowds or the players being unable to train, collapsing or dying is what I meant. But fans up and down the country are noticing it and naturally are asking what the **** is going on. For sure authorities have mentioned about effects of long COVID. They don’t mention the vaccine causes these issues too mind which is a fact, but I suppose they are expected to follow the party line in terms of the drive to get everyone vaccinated.
Can't in any way claim to have read extensively on the subject, but the piece I read mentioned both the effects of long Covid and the effects of the vaccine. They are still discovering a lot of the long term effects as it is happening in real time. However, it said there is already evidence that Covid in many people is having a damaging effect on both the heart and lungs, even when those people did not show obvious or severe symptoms of Covid at the time. They also said that, as with any vaccine, there is also evidence that the vaccine may also result in similar symptoms and damage, though the possibility of this damage was far greater from the virus than from the vaccine. This is also true of any vaccine. One of the hardest issues is distinguishing between the virus and the vaccine when people can be asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms from the virus. It is easy enough to identify people who have not been vaccinated who suffer these effects so that they know the cause was the virus, but almost impossible to rule out someone having previously had undetected Covid once they have the vaccine as antibodies will be present from both, and so very difficult to distinguish if the cause in that case would have been the virus or the vaccine.
Very true. Distinguishing between Covid and the vaccine I would imagine is virtually impossible. Vaccine damage has always been notoriously difficult to pinpoint even though it’s accepted. I just think the league should probably end the speculation on all the collapses and say they are looking into the reasons with medical professionals, and are looking at all possible reasons. I don’t think managers should be allowed to be asked why a certain player is unable to train, or is having issues is all I meant. It’s a bit unfair, they’re former footy players most of the time, and probably not the brightest Seriously it’ll just end in tears though, because they’ll just be vilified for saying the wrong thing on an emotive subject. A lot of people on both sides of the fence have lost all sense of reason sadly.
After all the feel good from yesterday, it was worth noting that another fan collapsed yesterday. Someone mentioned a second collapse yesterday but I only saw the one at the top of the Gallowgate? That Fulham dude the other week died sadly. A Kilmarnock fan died after a cardiac arrest outside the ground the other night too. There was a fan who collapsed at a non league fixture too, Bacup United. They had a defib and he was ok I believe. Its not just the footy either, been reports across the rugby games too. That doc who ended treating the last toon fan against Spurs (he was there as a fan) then had to treat another at the Blackburn/Middlesbrough game (on duty this time). He said he'd never had to treat someone outside of a hospital before.
The one in the Gallowgate wasn't too far from me but i didn't see it. Something happened in the East stand near the end aswell.
Ah right that must have been what they were on about. I just don't get that we are all cracking on as if this is normal. Its like chief wiggum... please log in to view this image
Both Lincoln vs Doncaster and Burton vs Bolton games stopped after medical emergencies in the crowd. These occurrences are getting ridiculous.
I agree - they should just play through. Its unreasonable to expect the players and fans to be late home.
Well I don’t think you’re really in a position to do anything about it bar us all raising awareness that it’s not normal. It would be nice if others gave a **** about the general population though - I don’t know like maybe the sporting bodies and the government could look into instead of doing the old chief wiggum. I suppose while we all ignore it and just pretend it’s not happening, they can do the same. Probably unlikely as everyone is way too selfish and our faith in governments, the media and others is at an all time low. When we have heads of state funding their sons 12m pay off of sex abuse, I suppose it’s a little too much to expect anything else from anyone else in the food chain.
The game continued when something happened in the east stand, depends how bad it is i suppose. Definately all a bit strange mind.
I do think the games are stopped more mind. I think there must be some policy or its just a case of people being more considerate/aware. Its just the volume of reports. Every ****ing round of games there's a minimum of one, its crazy numbers.
I think its a combination of three things: 1) We have had/are having a COVID pandemic where one of the unfortunate long term effects of the disease on some people is myocarditis and pericarditis - the symptoms of these are very similar to a heart attack and the weaknesses caused by them can lead to heart failure (146 cases per 100000 cf 1-10 cases/year per 100000 before COVID) 2) We have carried out probably the biggest ever vaccination programme in a very short space of time, using vaccines that in some cases are known to also lead to the same symptoms in a few cases, with incidences higher in children and young people (0.3 - 5 cases per 100000) 3) there are probably a large number of cases of supporters who are significantly less fit/overweight (studies showed people eating and drinking more during lockdowns and actually getting less exercise - this was most pronounced in the 50-70year olds, prime victims for heart issues Think its hardly surprising we are seeing more people with heart issues at football matches. I would suspect we will be seeing more people overall with such issues. Its interesting that we saw no cases at Newcastle until Eddie Howe took charge. A clear indication that the excitement of the football on display may also have an impact. Somebody should check this out. There is not really an awful lot can be done about it. Maybe a campaign to make people more aware of the importance of having an ECG/stress test, starting putting health warnings on biscuits/cakes/sweets, persuading people to reduce BMI's, treating gym memberships and other sports memberships fees as tax write-offs, making it compulsory for all offices of a certain size to provide a free gym and fitness instructor for staff and treat time spent in the gym as overtime, to be reimbursed by the government, paying a component of Universal Credit in vouchers that can only be used to buy fruit & veg, making all the highest risk people watch Burnley.
How do you get an ECG test? Do you just rock up to the hospital or your GP? (Serious question as I genuinely don't know how you get one just to test the in case scenario) When I had heart problems I was only given an ECG test at the GPs after 3 appointments (first 2 were telephone appointments). That ECG showed an abnormality. I was then transferred to an A&E and some 6 hours later had another ECG which showed nothing so was sent home. Problems continued so was eventually after 4 months sent for a 24 ECG test which picked something up. I would also say as well I initially put off going to the GP as I thought it was a pulled muscle and took about 3 weeks to get me to book that first appointment. I'm still on a referral list to see a specialist some 16 months later.
Not sure there - here you just say I want on ECG with stress test and give them your Credit Card and off you go. They have these clinics here that do a complete Wellness Check, which includes that with all the usual tests. They just put you on a treadmill and gradually increase the speed while monitoring your heart. If the treadmill gets too fast for you you end up losing most of your chest hair.
