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Oliver Holt of The Mirror

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  1. marbella blue

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    Honest question, is Yid Vicious P C ?
     
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  2. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    The FA can't charge him by the same law as Suarez as it's not on the pitch. However I'd have thought something could've been done about this too, I assume the FA like me had never heard of this guy before let alone what he's writing on Twitter.
     
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  3. saintanton

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    This is why we should be careful what we write, and also how we read it. I'm sure some people thought you'd written "calling someone black is little more than calling them fat" which obviously has an entirely different meaning to what you did write.
     
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  4. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    I think the tone of my reply didn't come across as intended, it looks a bit patronising reading it back.

    As I said, that was not the intention, I remember having a good discussion with you before on the Suarez thread <ok>
     
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    Deleted 1 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yes I know - must admit I was a bit shocked at the reaction but it will teach me <laugh>
     
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  6. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Auntie Beeb's 606 certainly didn't like it. On Not and JA it appears to be acceptable given the obvious context, which is good because I like my Tottenham/punk rock pun.
     
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  7. Lucaaas

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    You'd hope something would be done about it by the FA. I won't hold my breath though as there simply isn't a campaign against homophobia in the media at the moment. Had Blatter made his comments about homophobia instead of racism? Then there'd be a huge stink kicked up by the FA.
     
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  8. No Kane No Gain

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    He said something similarly stupid about gay fans going to Qatar for the World Cup. Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar so he suggested that gays should simply not be gay while they're there, or something along those lines. I remember a lot of gay rights groups were incensed and politicians too but I can't remember what the FA did, if anything.
     
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  9. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    It is in all fairness a quality nickname <ok>
     
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  10. Treat Williams

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3873323.stm

    Don't current hate laws cover people's religion?

    'Sikhs and Jews already have full protection from incitement because the courts regard them as distinct races. But Christians, Muslims and others have not been given the same protection because they do not constitute a single ethnic block. Northern Ireland has its own laws to deal with sectarian discrimination between Protestants and Catholics.'
     
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  11. Lucaaas

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    Ahh yeah, I remember that now <ok> I suppose the fact the Terry and Suarez incidents were around the time of his comments made the FA more determined to make a stand against racism, even if the punishment wasn't entirely fair.

    Interesting mate, thanks <ok>
     
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  12. DirtyFrank

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    And I think this is the problem with making words or names illegal based on historical abuses of power. The events under western colonialism are no more horrific & shameful than under ceaser or genghis Kahn. We accept our ancestors part in it, attempt to design a society with true equality to improve upon it. But when does it just become "history" you can't create a law to give extra protection to an individual purely because their ancestor had bad things happen to them under a different cruder society.

    As a truly EQUAL society we have decide which is more important:

    freedom of speech & expression including the freedom to insult & be insulted?

    Or

    We as a society say all name calling is an abuse of another person and should be sanctioned:

    Ginger
    Black
    Yellow
    Fat
    Add your own expletive :all have the original intent to single out & hurt an individual. The fact that victims attempted to own words & make them friendlier does not take away from it.
    We say that nobody can comment on another individual:

    Now I think option 2 is impossible.

    There is already a law to protect anyone from excessive verbal abuse. There was already a law that protected a person from having their rights & opportunities impinged based purely on any of the above. We should not raise one part of the community above others with regards to protection from insult this in itself is culturally divisive & produces the illogical inconsistencies we have seen in these discussions.

    We as individuals can decide if we want to associate with a person who expresses ANY negative views about others;(this has actually already been shown in these discussions)

    Edited to fix illogical sentence
     
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  13. Enricky.

    Enricky. Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    One fan doesn't represent a whole fanbase, we all have different opinions.

    I saw it on a feed, and I agree with you with that he wasn't blubbering but was upset and angry. Either way rasicm is out of order and shouldn't be tollerated, everyone takes things differently. Just hope they find the person that said it and they arrest him for it.

    t doesn't look good on us as a team either... that certain "fan" has made this look ten times worse for us, especially with this whole Suarez thing going on!...
     
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  14. No Kane No Gain

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    Ta :)
     
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    Jewish is the religion that turns anti-racism into a religion.

    Oliver Holt knows how the system works. Slagging off your fans is just misdirection.
     
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  16. James_8

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  17. Lucaaas

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    <laugh> I suppose according to Oliver Holt that "black bastard" is now definitely racist and disgusting*

    *Unless you are called John Terry because he wrote his biography and wouldn't want to get on his wrong side*
     
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  18. terrifictraore

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    What a complete twat.

    By the way, what is the "w.... etc he talks of?
     
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  19. Lucaaas

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    Wog? Short for Gollywog I think.
     
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  20. terrifictraore

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    <doh> forgot about that one, does anyone say that anymore, that's so 1970's surely even racists keep up with fashion.
     
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