Oliver Holt of The Mirror
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This is now getting silly. If the supporter was racist then he should be banned by the club and i am certain that he will be. I have never liked Liverpool as a club but the witch hunt is now ridiculous - it's one fan - not the entire club FFS. We all have them in our support whether we like it or not so the singling out of one club is an embarrassment.
man utd fans getting high and mighty about one incident about one of our players should themselves take a look in the mirror
Notwithstanding the fact that Evra did abuse Suarez as well and admitted it. What about rooney blatantly swearing into the cameras after scoring a goal against West Ham last season was arguably worse. Also Rooney gets off with a two match ban reduced from 3 for kicking a player off the ball. What Roy Keane did to Inge Haaland disgusts me to this day, and not forgetting the Cantona kung-fu kick into the spectators, for which he should have been jailed. Suarez has been harshly punished for what he did and he'll take it reluctantly on the chin and even apologised for any offence caused despite consistently maintaining that he did not intend to cause malice. Beware of his return next month, and who are we playing???
Notwithstanding the fact that Evra did abuse Suarez as well and admitted it. What about rooney blatantly swearing into the cameras after scoring a goal against West Ham last season was arguably worse. Also Rooney gets off with a two match ban reduced from 3 for kicking a player off the ball. What Roy Keane did to Inge Haaland disgusts me to this day, and not forgetting the Cantona kung-fu kick into the spectators, for which he should have been jailed. Suarez has been harshly punished for what he did and he'll take it reluctantly on the chin and even apologised for any offence caused despite consistently maintaining that he did not intend to cause malice. Beware of his return next month, and who are we playing???
Newcastle fan in peace.
The only comment I would make, as an outsider, is that the whole Suarez/racist issue was dealt with appallingly by Liverpool, and by Kenny Dalglish in particular. I'm sure his intentions were honourable, but the whole t shirt thing, and derogatory remarks about the independent commission, followed by a clearly begrudging sort of apology, by Suarez, has turned out to be a complete PR disaster.
As an experienced manager, at the top level, surely Kenny should have realised that his actions would be likely to have a knock-on effect, with the minority of idiot fans (which all clubs have), hence the racist banner that appeared in the crowd, shortly after the Suarez affair. Whether last night's incident is connected, only time will tell, I suppose.
I always say that truth, in practice, is reality as it is perceived. Thus, if a sizable enough proportion of the population were to come to the conclusion that Liverpool are a racist club (which I know they are not) then that is the legacy that they will carry forward into the future.
I'm sure the American owners must be less than enamoured at what has gone on here. In my opinion, Liverpool should now do whatever it takes TO BE SEEN to be taking this issue seriously, and repair the damage that has already been done to the good name of one of the great English clubs.
The only comment I would make, as an outsider, is that the whole Suarez/racist issue was dealt with appallingly by Liverpool, and by Kenny Dalglish in particular. I'm sure his intentions were honourable, but the whole t shirt thing, and derogatory remarks about the independent commission, followed by a clearly begrudging sort of apology, by Suarez, has turned out to be a complete PR disaster.
As an experienced manager, at the top level, surely Kenny should have realised that his actions would be likely to have a knock-on effect, with the minority of idiot fans (which all clubs have), hence the racist banner that appeared in the crowd, shortly after the Suarez affair. Whether last night's incident is connected, only time will tell, I suppose.
I always say that truth, in practice, is reality as it is perceived. Thus, if a sizable enough proportion of the population were to come to the conclusion that Liverpool are a racist club (which I know they are not) then that is the legacy that they will carry forward into the future.
I'm sure the American owners must be less than enamoured at what has gone on here. In my opinion, Liverpool should now do whatever it takes TO BE SEEN to be taking this issue seriously, and repair the damage that has already been done to the good name of one of the great English clubs.
Manc Twat, Black Twat, Cockney Scum, Scouse Bastards, maybe Blatter was right can't we just shake hands at the end of the game?
This is a difficult one - I agree with you that racial abuse is worse than name calling but in essence that is actually what it is. However, calling someone a black bastard is, in my humble opinion, a little more than calling them fat or smelly.
The history makes a huge difference. If you can show me a time in history where fat people were persecuted and treated as second class citizens purely because they are fat, I might be inclined to agree.
I'll admit as far as racist abuse goes, it's certainly less overt than some other things I've heard from fans at games before.
OP - I agree that if the journalist has stated the views that you claim then he is guilty of hypocrisy and to be fair deserves to be ridiculed, but I doubt his editor is bothered because they just want people to buy their papers and things like consistency and truth do not play a part.
But I maintain my point, your last paragraph spoils your entire argument and makes you as guilty as the perpetrator in this instance.
But I maintain my point, your last paragraph spoils your entire argument and makes you as guilty as the perpetrator in this instance.
It's not a name, but I don't see why saying "Black bastard/twat" is any different to calling someone a "Scouse bastard", "Gay ****" or "Cockney twat". You're still being derogatory about someone's heritage, personality or culture.
Look at this tweet from Reuben Hazell (Shrewsbury FC player) who was condemning the alleged racial abuse of Tom Adeyemi last night:
So homophobia is acceptable but racism isn't? It seems to me like Hazell and his ilk aren't interested in kicking prejudice out of football at all, they just bandwagon on the latest media craze because they want some positive PR (or maybe just any PR at all)
Will there be any fines or 8 match bans handed out by the FA for this? No, because Sepp Blatter hasn't made any comment on homophobia and it isn't popular to jump on the anti-homophobia bandwagon yet.
WTF ??? Are you being serious ?? You are, without a doubt, stupid beyond belief if you seriously own this opinion. The obvious difference is you won't end up with a criminal record for calling someone a fat twat !
Nobody has ever been gassed for being fat.
Genocide has never been committed because people smell, or because people live down the road from you.
I can't produce any evidence as it hasn't happened - which is why i said that although factually speaking racist abuse is a form of name calling it's worse than calling them fat. I agree with pretty much everything you've said on this thread
Of course it does and thats why if proven this eejit will rightly be banned for the name calling.
Jewish is a religion isn't it, not a race? I'm not sure on that mind. (I assume you are talking about Jewish people being gassed)
I fully agree - which is why i said "calling someone black is a little more than calling them fat" Perhaps i should have said worse but I meant the same thing anyway.