O/T: and so it goes on, can we please stop bashing religion?

[Tel (they/them)]

Personally, I believe there is a "god". As in a being beyond our level of comprehension that created the dimension we exist in i:e the big bang, but does not exist in the sense of matter & time that we do but rather brought that into existence.

As for religion I think that there will be a handful of people who know the truth of things but will not let the normal populace know this and rather use the whole concept as a tool of control. But that's my train of thought, I'm as blind to the absolute truth as anybody else.

What a load of ****.

Sorry mate, you might be a great person but that's standard garbage from a believer. I respect your right to believe whatever you want but don't attempt to infer that just because you don't accept evolution as fact, that it is not the absolute truth. I am privy to the absolute truth, I am not at a loss for an explanation as to the origins of my existence, I know exactly how I ended up here.

 

[Cyclops]

Didn't say that I didn't believe that there was no evolution, also not saying there was. Big bang happened 13 billion years ago or there about according to scientific estimation, **** knows whats happened in between then & now. Read both the biblical point of view & the scientific viewpoint. Nothing proven as fact on either side, all either religion or theory. Though, as i say, I do think that somewhere someone or other will know more than is being told to everyday people.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Didn't say that I didn't believe that there was no evolution, also not saying there was. Big bang happened 13 billion years ago or there about according to scientific estimation, f**k knows whats happened in between then & now. Read both the biblical point of view & the scientific viewpoint. Nothing proven as fact on either side, all either religion or theory. Though, as i say, I do think that somewhere someone or other will know more than is being told to everyday people.

Sorry mate, I'm not gonna attack your views again you think what you like. To me, I acknowledge Evolution as a fact, it is absolutely proven. It has empirical research, it isn't just applied logic mate. The 'theory' part of it is only 'theory' because of paleontological barriers, the fact that fossils have not provided exact evidence but paleontology isn't the be-all and end-all of evolution. The empirical data comes from lateral gene transfer studies, from tracing DNA sideways basically, tracing acid's that are transferred by means other than reproduction in easy-terms. It's absolute proof.

Another fact is that not one single piece of evidence to suggest god or a supernatural being exists has ever been collected in, as you say 13 billion years.

This isn't religion, this is just information. How people could even entertain the thought that god would create the earth in 7 days then wait 13 billion years for human kind to evolve before he could get a smidgen of recognition is beyond ridiculous to me.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I'm done on this thread now, cheers Shameless for the topic I enjoyed discussing a lot of it and it was obviously funny in some parts. I don't like to impose my views on any platform though, each person is entitled to believe what they like, enjoy it and make the most of your life in your own way. I would be a hypocrite if I attempt to change people's views to that of my own, so I'll leave it at what I've written.

You're all cracking lads on here, I'd prefer to keep that opinion.

 

[Cyclops]

Understood mate, and please, no need to apologize. I don't take offense to anybodies viewpoint at all. I always keep an open mind to everything. I've swung from science to religion in the way I've looked at things that many times that now I will hold my hands up & say that it's going to take a far wiser man than I will ever be to fathom what has brought everything about that surrounds us today. I've looked into the theory of the big bang, the golden ratio, fibonacci sequence, evolution, aliens, religion, ancient civilizations, possibility of Atlantis, secret societies. Still none the wiser to be honest.

 

[grandpops]

It seems to me that religion has always been used as a means of control. Which religion doesn`t matter. It`s always the same objective with (obviously death being inevitable) the afterlife as the lever. Do as you`re told you get the rewards. Don`t do as you`re told you get punished.

The afterlife appears to depend hugely on the culture although the downside of fire and torment seem prevalent throughout.

The plus sides are interesting though and look to me like promises of whatever you like to do best. Whether it`s the quaffing and carousing of the viking Valhalla or the american indian happy hunting grounds.

I`m throwing this idea into the mix but if the respective paradise is a reflection of the culture it represents, what does it say about Islam? Particularly where attained by serving Allah, The extremes of which are readily documented but acceptable to achieve the ultimate goal of heaven.

The reward of 72 virgins (with regenerating hymens so they stay that way) and sherbet. As far as I know it is the only religion with female angels (Houris) who are particularly skilled in the sexual arts.

I haven`t a clue what`s in it for the lady muslims but it suggests the whole thing is centred around male lust. If that`s the case it says a lot about that particular cultural mindset.

Sorry about the rambling post, I`m just writing down a train of thought and no idea where I`m going with it.

 

[Smug in Boots]

It seems to me that religion has always been used as a means of control. Which religion doesn`t matter. It`s always the same objective with (obviously death being inevitable) the afterlife as the lever. Do as you`re told you get the rewards. Don`t do as you`re told you get punished.

The afterlife appears to depend hugely on the culture although the downside of fire and torment seem prevalent throughout.

The plus sides are interesting though and look to me like promises of whatever you like to do best. Whether it`s the quaffing and carousing of the viking Valhalla or the american indian happy hunting grounds.

I`m throwing this idea into the mix but if the respective paradise is a reflection of the culture it represents, what does it say about Islam? Particularly where attained by serving Allah, The extremes of which are readily documented but acceptable to achieve the ultimate goal of heaven.

The reward of 72 virgins (with regenerating hymens so they stay that way) and sherbet. As far as I know it is the only religion with female angels (Houris) who are particularly skilled in the sexual arts.

I haven`t a clue what`s in it for the lady muslims but it suggests the whole thing is centred around male lust. If that`s the case it says a lot about that particular cultural mindset.

Sorry about the rambling post, I'm just writing down a train of thought and no idea where I'm going with it.

Could be your signature when you think about it

 

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Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac - he lay awake all night wondering if there was a dog

 

[Cyclops]

It seems to me that religion has always been used as a means of control. Which religion doesn`t matter. It`s always the same objective with (obviously death being inevitable) the afterlife as the lever. Do as you`re told you get the rewards. Don`t do as you`re told you get punished.

The afterlife appears to depend hugely on the culture although the downside of fire and torment seem prevalent throughout.

The plus sides are interesting though and look to me like promises of whatever you like to do best. Whether it`s the quaffing and carousing of the viking Valhalla or the american indian happy hunting grounds.

I`m throwing this idea into the mix but if the respective paradise is a reflection of the culture it represents, what does it say about Islam? Particularly where attained by serving Allah, The extremes of which are readily documented but acceptable to achieve the ultimate goal of heaven.

The reward of 72 virgins (with regenerating hymens so they stay that way) and sherbet. As far as I know it is the only religion with female angels (Houris) who are particularly skilled in the sexual arts.

I haven`t a clue what`s in it for the lady muslims but it suggests the whole thing is centred around male lust. If that`s the case it says a lot about that particular cultural mindset.

Sorry about the long post, I`m just writing down a train of thought and no idea where I`m going with it.

Well said mate, thinking for yourself rather than an opinion that's given to you to regurgitate. For instance there has been about a dozen saviour's of humanity that have been born on the 25th of December, a lot of which have been born to virgin mothers. Makes you think of the possibility of the same story being changed bit by bit throughout the ages and fed to different people for the use of manipulation.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Well said mate, thinking for yourself rather than an opinion that's given to you to regurgitate. For instance there has been about a dozen saviour's of humanity that have been born on the 25th of December, a lot of which have been born to virgin mothers. Makes you think of the possibility of the same story being changed bit by bit throughout the ages and fed to different people for the use of manipulation.

IVF is the only 'virgin birth' and even that involves penetration .......... wasn't around in those days as far as I know.

 

[grandpops]

Could be your signature when you think about it

twat

Well said mate, thinking for yourself rather than an opinion that's given to you to regurgitate. For instance there has been about a dozen saviour's of humanity that have been born on the 25th of December, a lot of which have been born to virgin mothers. Makes you think of the possibility of the same story being changed bit by bit throughout the ages and fed to different people for the use of manipulation.

Absolutely. The thing is, a small town pastor in America says something derogatory about Muhammed and immediately there`s millions of them, all over the world, dancing about waving sticks. The sphere of influence and control is immense. All this for an afterlife of constant sex. If that`s an indication of what they want in the next life they must think of little else in this one.

 

[Sidthemackem]

Yes, it is

- text has the advantage that views can be considered and comments can even be withdrawn, amended or revoked. Also, you might think twice sometimes before hitting 'Reply'. On the other hand the potential for misunderstanding is increased compared to face-to-face debate.

Many religionists feel they are 'personally' under attack and complain that the relatively recent rise Atheism is a new form of beligerent dogma (and even going as far as to label it fascism!?).

I can understand all that, however the irony is lost on me either

I'm afraid I don't know what the **** you're talking about....

 

[Smug in Boots]

t**t



Absolutely. The thing is, a small town pastor in America says something derogatory about Muhammed and immediately there`s millions of them, all over the world, dancing about waving sticks. The sphere of influence and control is immense. All this for an afterlife of constant sex. If that`s an indication of what they want in the next life they must think of little else in this one.

I don't people think this Heaven/afterlife thing through ....... every definition, I've heard, seems a very poor substitute for real life.

This virgin thing is bollocks anarl, the best lasses for rampant sex are the dirty sluts who've learned a few tricks over the years

 

[grandpops]

I don't people think this Heaven/afterlife thing through ....... every definition, I've heard, seems a very poor substitute for real life.

This virgin thing is bollocks anarl, the best lasses for rampant sex are the dirty sluts who've learned a few tricks over the years

Aye, an afterlife full of filthy hewers. There`s plenty would go for that.

Not for me though, rather have a bit of peace and quiet.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I don't people think this Heaven/afterlife thing through ....... every definition, I've heard, seems a very poor substitute for real life.

This virgin thing is bollocks anarl, the best lasses for rampant sex are the dirty sluts who've learned a few tricks over the years

Yeah the only virgins you're gonna find in the afterlife are gonna be total BUTTERS! The ones nobody wanted to pork in real life, mongrels by all standards.

I know I said I was finished but I didn't see more laughs around the corner!

 

[Sidthemackem]

If the afterlife is based on sex, can you have any size of knob you like?

I'd like a 12-incher, as this one's a bit too big...

 

[Smug in Boots]

I'm afraid I don't know what the f**k you're talking about....

Probably the only thing you have in common with Shameless, neither do they

 

[grandpops]

If the afterlife is based on sex, can you have any size of knob you like?

I'd like a 12-incher, as this one's a bit too big...

You`re deed man. You`ve got nee corporeal bits to shag with. Bit of a problem that like unless you can grow some to suit.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yeah the only virgins you're gonna find in the afterlife are gonna be total BUTTERS! The ones nobody wanted to pork in real life, mongrels by all standards.

I know I said I was finished but I didn't see more laughs around the corner!

It's not just the virgin thing I don't get tbh.

Christians seem to spend their entire life believing in Heaven but they've absolutely no idea what it'll be like.

Every suggestion I've heard sounds rank.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

If the afterlife is based on sex, can you have any size of knob you like?

I'd like a 12-incher, as this one's a bit too big...

Half the fun of sex is the chase, finding some bird in a bar that you fancy your chances with then moving on to the next bird when she tells you no, until inevitably you go home with a ten pinter. The good old days.

I don't get the need for 40 of the dirty bitches though, they'll all look the same with their Burkhas on!