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Pellegrino in or out?

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    163
Silva
Dyche
O'Neill (Martin)
Allardyce
Garcia
Karanka
Hiddink
Tuchel
Pellegrini
Simeone
Ancelotti
Howe
Pardew
Mancini
O'Neil (Michael)

Would appear to the top 15 bookies favourites for the Everton job (ignoring Unsworth). Now I accept that Everton have more money than us, and arguably a better squad than us, but I would suggest that any manager searching we undertake would broadly be from the same shop as Everton. Especially because on this particular occasion, I would imagine that we would be adverse to replace MP with someone else who has little PL (or big job) experience.

Now clearly some names on that list can be ignored, just as they can be ignored for Everton too.

Although as I say, I'm not looking to sack MP tomorrow. I'm giving the board six weeks to find someone.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
Why is it unbelievable? I have already spelt out on another thread that it is too early to make a decision. The mess is something he has inherited and not of his making. Judge him after the January transfer window.,

Amazing to see you have instigated two polls since this afternoon on this subject. Are you an obsessive?

To be honest with you, there weren't as many people asking for Claude Puel to be sacked this early in the season.

Didn't realise that you were about 14 years old. Never mind. . :headbang:
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He didn’t inherit a mess, he inherited a team that finished 8th and reached a cup final. We were dull and didn’t score much.
It’s easy to argue that we are worse under Pellegrino than Puel.
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
Why is it unbelievable? I have already spelt out on another thread that it is too early to make a decision. The mess is something he has inherited and not of his making. Judge him after the January transfer window.,

Amazing to see you have instigated two polls since this afternoon on this subject. Are you an obsessive?

To be honest with you, there weren't as many people asking for Claude Puel to be sacked this early in the season.

Didn't realise that you were about 14 years old. Never mind. . :headbang:
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I'll keep asking you over and over again until I bore the **** out of you.... why on the 27th August (2-3 games) would you not give a new manager who had lost three of the best players the same chance you want to give MP2?

Hypocrite.

@Ian Thumwood
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
Why is it unbelievable? I have already spelt out on another thread that it is too early to make a decision. The mess is something he has inherited and not of his making. Judge him after the January transfer window.,

Amazing to see you have instigated two polls since this afternoon on this subject. Are you an obsessive?

To be honest with you, there weren't as many people asking for Claude Puel to be sacked this early in the season.

Didn't realise that you were about 14 years old. Never mind. . :headbang:
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Pellegrino has Gabbiadini and Boufal fit from the season and here from the start, and has had two big money signing's strengthening our midfield and back four. Added to a squad that finished 8th and had a great cup run. Hardly inherited a bad squad has he...
 
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Usually i would say get rid of him a couple of months before the end of the season unless we are in dire need of a boost because of relegation threat. so would still like to see what he can do with a window. (i'm one of the 7 who voted stay)

Main problem i have is that i can't think of anything that Pellegrino is actually good at. Even keeping possession he loses out to sides that have a go at him like Watford. He doesn't seem to defend as well or bring the best out of his reserves like Puel often did. Hasn't given youth a chance while Puel attended every youth game i saw live. Pellegrino came in saying he would improve the linking between our players.... yeah, not done that. I literally can't find anything positive to say about him.


...Okay, he's better than Puel in an interview... Anything else?
 
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You know what.? I saw this poll earlier and thought "I'm going to think about this" because I thought of myself clicking on the OUT radio button.
And it goes like this. If we had had this poll at the end of last season, for Puel, I would have voted IN. He'd done well enough under the circumstances, making a good impression in 3 competitions. Bollocks about the boring football, that could always be rectified. He'd been hamstrung by a board who hadn't replaced 3 of the most important players Saints had had on the books in recent years, and he had injuries to really important remaining players when he couldn't afford to have them out. But he coped, and really well. Plus he introduced youngsters, who really impressed when they played.
Now come from the start of this season until now. Pellegrino has a stronger squad who are all largely fit [except for the highly impressive Sims]. The only difference in the coaching staff is him replacing Puel. And it's not working. I think it is OUT right now to give the board time to seek out a replacement who can do some reinforcing in January. We desperately need an intelligent powerful striker to lead the line. If that's all we got in January, I would say we could cope, and probably move up the table. I think the same midfield would once again have the confidence that there's a player up there to hit, and the others would play off him. If we must keep Pellegrino then the board have to reinforce in January anyway. But I have lost confidence that he could coach them back to some level of form even with reinforcements. So I've surprised myself. OUT. This situation should not continue past January.
 
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fatletiss said:
I am never a fan of not giving people a chance, however the OP asked for my gut feel. That tells Me right now, not good enough.
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Neither am I. But I have learned to trust my instincts as well. I remember Steve Wigley, and how, after one game and one post-match interview, I knew he needed to be replaced. He was so, so out of his depth. That said, I haven't judged Pellegrino on one game, but over his entire tenure here, and I think he's had enough time. I don't think he's worth backing in January either. Nice bloke, I'm sure. But not here.
 
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Qwerty said:
Anyone decided who they want to replace him yet? Me and 5 others would love to know... Eric Black can be caretaker while we sort it out. Currently 1 vote for Koeman and 1 for Emery.
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With the caveat that my list is heavily weighted toward managers that play entertaining football, because god we need it:

Eusebio (the live one at Sociedad). Pros: fun to the verge of being suicidal. Cons: fun to the verge of being suicidal. Also increasingly less likely to leave a top half Spanish side for a relegation fight in England.

Phillip Cocu. PSV missed out on the title and received some criticism for not attacking enough last year. They have 37 goals in 11 matches now. That suggests some kind of adjustment, maybe? Pros: Our track record with Dutch ex-Barca players is pretty good. Cons: Would tripling his wages be enough to make him leave a title contender?

Quique Setien. There's no man more committed to attacking even when attacking is utterly illogical. His sides at Las Palmas scored goals, while also surrendering at a rate that generally suggests relegation. Having moved to Real Betis, he has brought that form with him, turning a club that was never anything approaching prolific into a high-scoring team (and also they give up a tonne of goals). Pros: gooooooooooooooal. Cons: None of his teams have been particularly good, really.

Chris Wilder. Has Sheffield United in position for back-to-back promotions. Pros: He's good at this, and has some rather unique wrinkles. Likes a back three with one of the defenders jumping into the attack. Excellent results with Sheff Utd and plenty of goals. Cons: they might be getting lucky, and he won't have Billy Sharp in his attack with Saints.
 
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Out. I don't believe that even given two seasons and a squad overhaul that he will manage to simultaneously defend and attack. I know I bang on about it but it's like he came out and said the earth is flat and aeroplanes spray govt chemicals from their engines. He's an idiot and that isn't going to change.
 
This is what Les Reed said when we appointed Pellegrino:

“He has an excellent understanding of the Southampton Way, and his style of play and aspiration matches the philosophy, culture and ambition of the club.

“We firmly believe Mauricio is the right person to help us take the next steps. He knows our players and believes we have a great squad that with some fine-tuning will be able to deliver continued success.

“Mauricio believes with the quality we have we can play exciting, attacking football, taking the game to our opponents by playing a high-intensity game. He will continue to develop and introduce young players whilst building on the core of experience that we have in the squad.
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Mr Reed has either developed a love for dull football, or has been taken for a fool.
 
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Schad said:
With the caveat that my list is heavily weighted toward managers that play entertaining football, because god we need it:

Eusebio (the live one at Sociedad). Pros: fun to the verge of being suicidal. Cons: fun to the verge of being suicidal. Also increasingly less likely to leave a top half Spanish side for a relegation fight in England.

Phillip Cocu. PSV missed out on the title and received some criticism for not attacking enough last year. They have 37 goals in 11 matches now. That suggests some kind of adjustment, maybe? Pros: Our track record with Dutch ex-Barca players is pretty good. Cons: Would tripling his wages be enough to make him leave a title contender?

Quique Setien. There's no man more committed to attacking even when attacking is utterly illogical. His sides at Las Palmas scored goals, while also surrendering at a rate that generally suggests relegation. Having moved to Real Betis, he has brought that form with him, turning a club that was never anything approaching prolific into a high-scoring team (and also they give up a tonne of goals). Pros: gooooooooooooooal. Cons: None of his teams have been particularly good, really.

Chris Wilder. Has Sheffield United in position for back-to-back promotions. Pros: He's good at this, and has some rather unique wrinkles. Likes a back three with one of the defenders jumping into the attack. Excellent results with Sheff Utd and plenty of goals. Cons: they might be getting lucky, and he won't have Billy Sharp in his attack with Saints.
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Interesting. Here's my problem - let's say it all changed. We still have 3 strikers who have scored 2 goals between them since early March. We'll still badly need new players in our front 4 in January (prefarably the 1st not 31st) and that will decide how well the rest of our season goes. I don't understand why things would be different whether MP is there or not, it just seems like a total panic to remove him now. I know that backs up your/Brendy's point about looking around in the next 6 weeks. But basically, what's happening is all about our rubbish players IMO.
 
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My concern is next weekend, if we aren't playing well and winning the crowd will turn on MP as they did on Puel towards the end of last season and that will force the boards hand
Not looking forward to coming down next Sunday as the atmosphere will turn toxic very quickly if things aren't going our way
Hope I'm wrong but don't think I am
 
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