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Like ourselves you have to ask how much input the manager had in the signings?

We haven't had a manager in the truest sense for nearly a decade. All head coaches since Silva.

Most other clubs haven't either. Did Ranieri win the league with 'his' team?

No, they were just ****ing delighted to have got rid of Nigel Ostrich-Cleansheets after being put together by Sven and Claudii allowed them to go and 'play'.

We aren't in that position. They already had a team. We have a collection of individuals still and that's likely going to be the case for some time to come.

Patience needed all-round.
 
I know it is only aurally seductive sound bites to ameliorate the reality of dispensing with the manager but what exactly is Acun's preferred type of football that didn't align with Shota's? And if you know what it is, what potential candidates have a track record of this style of play, whatever it may be?

Reading Phil Buckingham's article in The Athletic the other day, it sounds like the back 3 vs back 4 was at least part of the disagreement. Shota suddenly went to a back four at Swansea and brought in the previously untrusted Vale. We were ****e and according to Buckingham, Shota then spent the international break preparing the team to play a back 3 again against Luton, with Docherty included in the midfield, but of course on the day of the game he was sacked and we ended up discarding that plan and playing 4-2-3-1 again.

Sounds to me like Shota wanted to be pragmatic to get us out of this rut and Acun wanted him to go balls to the wall instead.
 
Reading Phil Buckingham's article in The Athletic the other day, it sounds like the back 3 vs back 4 was at least part of the disagreement. Shota suddenly went to a back four at Swansea and brought in the previously untrusted Vale. We were ****e and according to Buckingham, Shota then spent the international break preparing the team to play a back 3 again against Luton, with Docherty included in the midfield, but of course on the day of the game he was sacked and we ended up discarding that plan and playing 4-2-3-1 again.

Sounds to me like Shota wanted to be pragmatic to get us out of this rut and Acun wanted him to go balls to the wall instead.

I suspect this is close to what happened, some on Twitter saying it was because of Acun having too much influence in the signings, but Shota knew what he was coming into on that score when he joined, so I think what you have said is closer to the truth.
 
Exactly why I said there's such a thing as going up too soon. They'll come down now, lose half that squad, and basically have to start again. If they'd built a strong core, gone up a season later (like TWS for instance) they'd have had a far better chance of being competitive.

I don't agree with this. I think if the chance comes to go up, you have to try and take it. You never know when it might come again. Its what you do with it that counts. Preston lost two play off finals in the early 2000s, not to mention Bristol City. They've never got that close again.

But I do think you're right about the risk of losing your players. You need to use your promotion to tie down the best of the team you've come up with to longer contracts and recruit carefully.
 
Baz does not say that re Corberan.
“Any potential move is no longer an option”
A little vague but could mean he already has a position lined up.

Well yeah I didn't go word for word but the general message remains the same.
 
I don't agree with this. I think if the chance comes to go up, you have to try and take it. You never know when it might come again. Its what you do with it that counts. Preston lost two play off finals in the early 2000s, not to mention Bristol City. They've never got that close again.

But I do think you're right about the risk of losing your players. You need to use your promotion to tie down the best of the team you've come up with to longer contracts and recruit carefully.

You're right as well, I think there's an element of both. I suppose when I say 'going up too quickly' it's the notion of an owner blowing his wad thinking if he spends big he can keep the club up, and in doing so actually do more damage than good. So in that sense, it's not actually the issue of promotion, it's how you handle it. Bristol City could well have gone up and then come right back down like Blackpool who aren't close to going back up again. People would argue the year of memories is worth it and maybe it is. I wonder how much Forest are enjoying getting thumped every week while Lingard picks up 200k.
 
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