New manager

[SAFCDRUM]

John Barnes?

At least he can defend and attack

 

[jdsafc]

I dont rate Karanka at all. Boro fans turned against him in the end due to him spitting his dummy out twice and walking out of the club leaving Agnew in charge until he'd calmed down and put it back in.
He also clashed with the fans because after signing Rhodes for 10m he refused to play him and stuck to a negative 451 formation. Boro were voted most boring Premiership club of all time last season.

Agreed. He's in the game coz he's Morinho's bezzie mate

 

[Brian Storm]

I can't see anyone wanting this job...Whoever does eventually gets it will not be given a chance by our fans.

It will take a lot of financial incentive which we won't provide, so we'll end up with a manager just as inept, and we'll have the same people crying on week after week despite getting what they want at great cost to the club. I wouldn't have sacked him personally, every walk of footballing life tells us a manager should be allowed to build their own team, but not Sunderland, we're special and an exclusion to common decency, this man only built half a team on 1,7m. Should have been given Jan and some cash. Least the man deserved(it called a fair crack of the whip). Our fans are as unreasonable as bain and if we end up with O'Shea it serves everyone who called for his head right. If O'Shea becomes manager I'll never forgive Bain and the Boo boys from hammering our final nail in.

Lets see how green the grass is on the other side.

 

[jdsafc]

It will take a lot of financial incentive which we won't provide, so we'll end up with a manager just as inept, and we'll have the same people crying on week after week despite getting what they want at great cost to the club. I wouldn't have sacked him personally, every walk of footballing life tells us a manager should be allowed to build their own team, but not Sunderland, we're special and an exclusion to common decency, this man only built half a team on 1,7m. Should have been given Jan and some cash. Least the man deserved(it called a fair crack of the whip). Our fans are as unreasonable as bain and if we end up with O'Shea it serves everyone who called for his head right. If O'Shea becomes manager I'll never forgive Bain and the Boo boys from hammering our final nail in.

Lets see how green the grass is on the other side.

I think he was appointed in a panic attack when McKinnes turned us down. Bain thought he had it sussed by appointing Walter Smith to find us a new manager. Smith's recommendation was a fella who didn't want the job.

So we quickly grab someone else, chuck them in there and then decide that they ain't up to it.

Shambles

 

[Brian Storm]

I think he was appointed in a panic attack when McKinnes turned us down. Bain thought he had it sussed by appointing Walter Smith to find us a new manager. Smith's recommendation was a fella who didn't want the job.

So we quickly grab someone else, chuck them in there and then decide that they ain't up to it.

Shambles

I don't think their was any panic, there's a whole application process. What I think happened is we formed a shortlist, invited members of that list to be applicants, and non of them applied forcing us interview uninvited applicants and Grayson was the best on offer.

I think we're unappealing with well documented deep rooted problems with no transfer budget and without enough financial reward to attract anybody of worth. It's not rash decision making. Imo it's entirely resource related. We can't force people to aply and we can only hire from the applicants. I think it's much more likely we're just not appealing enough.

 

[Nads]

Agreed. He's in the game coz he's Morinho's bezzie mate

Yeah nowt to do with him playing for Bilbao, Madrid and Spain....

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

It will take a lot of financial incentive which we won't provide, so we'll end up with a manager just as inept, and we'll have the same people crying on week after week despite getting what they want at great cost to the club. I wouldn't have sacked him personally, every walk of footballing life tells us a manager should be allowed to build their own team, but not Sunderland, we're special and an exclusion to common decency, this man only built half a team on 1,7m. Should have been given Jan and some cash. Least the man deserved(it called a fair crack of the whip). Our fans are as unreasonable as bain and if we end up with O'Shea it serves everyone who called for his head right. If O'Shea becomes manager I'll never forgive Bain and the Boo boys from hammering our final nail in.

Lets see how green the grass is on the other side.

I think if he had won one or two more games it might have looked better for him. However to win only one in 15 is sackable form for any club. Especially when looking at some of the teams we have played. I think the majority of us expected a slow start, but not many expected it to be this slow. I dont think early sackings are just a Sunderland problem, managers have getting sacked after far less games, its a problem in football in general. I never really got on his back from the comfort of my own armchair, he's tried his best, he's failed, possibly only a small percentage of it is his fault. I assume we have a plan in place getting the next lamb in for the slaughter.

 

[Brian Storm]

I think if he had won one or two more games it might have looked better for him. However to win only one in 15 is sackable form for any club. Especially when looking at some of the teams we have played. I think the majority of us expected a slow start, but not many expected it to be this slow. I dont think early sackings are just a Sunderland problem, managers have getting sacked after far less games, its a problem in football in general. I never really got on his back from the comfort of my own armchair, he's tried his best, he's failed, possibly only a small percentage of it is his fault. I assume we have a plan in place getting the next lamb in for the slaughter.

Every other club don't go through as many managers as us, yes I agree managers get less time they used to but it's still very very strange for a club to go through 7 managers in 4 years with 3 quitters. You make it sound like we're normal and it's part and parcel of the game. I disagree we're a typical example. Head burying imo, We've got massive problems and we still think it can be solved from the dugout.

 

[Brian Storm]

7 managers in 4 years. 3 of our last 4 managers have walked on us. 2 of them for no money to spend and the last one was sacked having 15 seniors depart and only 9 are allowed to be brought in a 1.7m budget.

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[E.T. Fairfax]

Every other club don't go through as many managers as us, yes I agree managers get less time they used to but it's still very very strange for a club to go through 7 managers in 4 years with 3 quitters. You make it sound like we're normal and it's part and parcel of the game. I disagree we're a typical example. Head burying imo, We've got massive problems and we still think it can be solved from the dugout.

Good grief we are not normal but 1 win in 15 isnt either. That is shocking for this league. I agree the problems probably wont be solved from the dugout, but hopefully in the short term they will be.

 

[Brian Storm]

Good grief we are not normal but 1 win in 15 isnt either. That is shocking for this league. I agree the problems probably wont be solved from the dugout, but hopefully in the short term it will.

deja vu, More successful short term fixes than enough have contributed to well over 100m for debt and our eventual relegation. It's not the way to run a football club. And that's proven beyond doubt in my mind based on the amount of times we've fallen foul of it. If we went down under MoN instead of panicking over and over and over looking for short term responses which work for a few month at great cost only to fail, we'd have a fraction of the debt and be in much better shape.

Short term fixes are proven failed policy imo. We just keep going round in circles making the same mistake again and again and again, fans encourage it then take no responsibility when it goes wrong, in fact they point the finger at the club despite all parties being on the same page at the time of sackings. This club and massive chunk it's supporters embarrass me.

 

[jdsafc]

I don't think their was any panic, there's a whole application process. What I think happened is we formed a shortlist, invited members of that list to be applicants, and non of them applied forcing us interview uninvited applicants and Grayson was the best on offer.

I think we're unappealing with well documented deep rooted problems with no transfer budget and without enough financial reward to attract anybody of worth. It's not rash decision making. Imo it's entirely resource related. We can't force people to aply and we can only hire from the applicants. I think it's much more likely we're just not appalling enough.

Freudian Slip?? I think we are canny appalling

We don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I don't think McKinnes's rejection was anticipated.

I saw a little stat on twitter at lunch time about what has happened to managers post-SAFC. It does not appear that we are an attractive career enhancing place to be

 

[Munkyheed]

I'm probably going to get verbally r4ped for this but, in the current state we are in, I would take Pardew all day long. He has a reputation for creating an initial bounce and an ability for bringing tactical stability for a finite amount of time which is just what we need at the moment to keep us from another drop. Obviously he also has a reputation for not being able to sustain the bounce indefinitely but he would be my choice on a limited budget at this moment in time.

 

[Brian Storm]

Freudian Slip?? I think we are canny appalling

We don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I don't think McKinnes's rejection was anticipated.

I saw a little stat on twitter at lunch time about what has happened to managers post-SAFC. It does not appear that we are an attractive career enhancing place to be

No I rely on a spell checker which is **** I spelt it wrong and it keeps changing word to the wrong word. I shall fix.

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

deja vu, More successful short term fixes than enough have contributed to well over 100m for debt and our eventual relegation. It's not the way to run a football club. And that's proven beyond doubt in my mind based on the amount of times we've fallen foul of it. If we went down under MoN instead of panicking over and over and over looking for short term responses which work for a few month at great cost only to fail, we'd have a fraction of the debt and be in much better shape.

Short term fixes are proven failed policy imo. We just keep going round in circles making the same mistake again and again and again, fans encourage it then take no responsibility when it goes wrong, in fact they point the finger at the club despite all parties being on the same page at the time of sackings. This club and massive chunk it's supporters embarrass me.

Whether we sacked him or not I wasnt for or against it personally. Thats how Ive felt since Di Canio I think. I'm totally numb to the club at the moment. Out of interest, if things continued as they were under Grayson, at what stage would you have sacked him?

 

[Brian Storm]

Whether we sacked him or not I wasnt for or against it personally. Thats how Ive felt since Di Canio I think. I'm totally numb to the club at the moment. Out of interest, if things continued as they were under Grayson, at what stage would you have sacked him?

I would have given his new defensive signings time to bed in, but it would of course depend on the table, and we're not even close to being cut a drift yet.

To not fund defensive players in Jan we may as well just sack everybody at the club asking them to **** their replacements as they leave.

 

[Nads]

I'm probably going to get verbally r4ped for this but, in the current state we are in, I would take Pardew all day long. He has a reputation for creating an initial bounce and an ability for bringing tactical stability for a finite amount of time which is just what we need at the moment to keep us from another drop. Obviously he also has a reputation for not being able to sustain the bounce indefinitely but he would be my choice on a limited budget at this moment in time.

There’d be worse appointments mate but he’s a ****ing prick of the highest order I couldn’t back him.

See Phil Brown has hoyed his hat in again...

 

[rooch 3]

I dont think it matters if Jesus Christ came in. There's some evil c*nt over there (and not Short) who is controlling things for whatever reason. Although not realistic I would sack every f*cking one of them over there thats players, coaches, the ball boys, the stewards the f*cking lot and bring in new personnel.

Give it to the dream time of PDC & Ball. Any f*cker not giving 110% on that pitch would get a right good pasting when they came off.

PS, maybe went just a tad overboard there but I think most of you will see where I am coming from.

Agree a 100% mate I would also let a gorilla bum them as well if they keep making the same mistake

 

[rooch 3]

I dont think it matters if Jesus Christ came in. There's some evil c*nt over there (and not Short) who is controlling things for whatever reason. Although not realistic I would sack every f*cking one of them over there thats players, coaches, the ball boys, the stewards the f*cking lot and bring in new personnel.

Give it to the dream time of PDC & Ball. Any f*cker not giving 110% on that pitch would get a right good pasting when they came off.

PS, maybe went just a tad overboard there but I think most of you will see where I am coming from.

Fuk off

I don't think he was on the list.

 

[BIG BAZ]

We sack managers because they are ****. Tell me a manager what we sacked and then he goes on to be class? ****ing nobody.

1 win in 15 and people wanted to keep him. Same with the pricks with moyes. We cant keep on sacking managers blah ****ing blah.