New Head Coach

[Disco down under]

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Burnley will take their time with appointing a new manager with interviews taking place this week.

Lampard, Bellamy and Liam Rosenior are the names being considered.

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So if we want Rosenior, and the above is true, we might have to wait until next week.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I think this is an accurate and fair assessment of the current state of play, however I still feel like British coaches are harmed by the negative stigma you are referring to, there was a time when the Premier League started to bring in lots of foreign coaches and at that time there was probably good reason for that, however coaching techniques in this country are amongst the best in the world now and British coaches still struggle to get roles at the top (and even when they get them, suffer quicker turn over consequences due to stigma) due to the afore mentioned stigma.

Yes, the stigma remains. In part this is because when British coaches have been given jobs at big clubs, they haven't done particularly well, which exacerbates the stereotype. Foreign coaches haven't fared any better at the same clubs, but the assumption persists.

 

[alcoauth]

You're probably right...I don't know...but the increase of foreign ownership in our clubs may have also contributed to the lack of home-grown coaches?

Yes, it's multifaceted. One thing that isn't normal though, is looking at your own coaches and whether it's conscious or subconcious, thinking of them as lesser than, especially when they're actually not.

 

[LD19SAFC]

So if we want Rosenior, and the above is true, we might have to wait until next week.

This might as well reach 120 days…

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[marcusblackcat]

Sounds like we should hound him out on day 1.

Why wait until then? Some didn’t last time!

 

[Daz]

So if we want Rosenior, and the above is true, we might have to wait until next week.

If we want him, offer him a contract. If he holds off on deciding we should move onto another target.

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

I wouldn't say 'tricked' to be fair.

There's a few things that have been going on in my mind and I haven't yet joined the dots.

One is that football is becoming a multinational game which is why I wouldn't want someone like Heckingbottom who struggles with English. It's all very well not being able to speak other languages but it helps if your English is comprehensible and not strewn with clichés and slang. I lost a big chunk of my accent through fifteen years of living abroad. I was speaking, in my job, to all kinds of Europeans with varying degrees of English so spoke without an accent and avoided phrases like 'by the skin of my teeth'.. I've no idea how the likes of errr Rooney would errr cope.

I also wonder why we have so many foreign coaches while very few English go to work in Europe, there must be a reason.

And why don't English managers ever win the PL, there must be a reason for that as well.

As I say, I've not had time to think it all through but I don't feel I've been tricked tbh.

I never had a NE accent despite being brought up there and in a house which had two people who did have. Since I left the area my accent has been all over the place, although I don’t think I’ve picked up the rising inflective since living here. I use mannerisms in my speech which are definitely from Sunderland which I’m sure sound daft in my accent. Although I can say ha’way pretty well if I have to!

 

[CR17]

We need to pull our finger out if we want him

 

[Hudson92]

So if we want Rosenior, and the above is true, we might have to wait until next week.

Does this mean we can break down what imminent means again?

 

[TopCat.]

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Imagine the meltdown if we "lost out" to Burnley

 

[Brainy Dose]

Does this mean we can break down what imminent means again?

Please don't....I might have to kill you!

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yes, it's multifaceted. One thing that isn't normal is looking at your own coaches and thinking of them as lesser than, especially when they're actually not.

It wouldn't be normal if it was a fact, tbf it's just opinions.

As things stand the best English manager may be Howe, he'll never manage a top club imo.

He has quite a squad but some of their games have verged on embarrassing.

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

So if we want Rosenior, and the above is true, we might have to wait until next week.

They’ve put another tweet out saying the think these are just some of the names being considered not all. In other words it’s a load of ****e.

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

Does this mean we can break down what imminent means again?

'ImmiNOT, they said immiNOT!'

Booo-urns

 

[Disco down under]

If we want him, offer him a contract. If he holds off on deciding we should move onto another target.

If he is who we are in on, I would assume moving onto the next one might push us towards next week too.

I don’t know. Maybe I'm drained of optimism.

 

[Brainy Dose]

If he is who we are in on, I would assume moving onto the next one might push us towards next week too.

I don’t know. Maybe I'm drained of optimism.

I'm just ****ing drained!

 

[alcoauth]

I wouldn't say 'tricked' to be fair.

There's a few things that have been going on in my mind and I haven't yet joined the dots.

One is that football is becoming a multinational game which is why I wouldn't want someone like Heckingbottom who struggles with English. It's all very well not being able to speak other languages but it helps if your English is comprehensible and not strewn with clichés and slang. I lost a big chunk of my accent through fifteen years of living abroad. I was speaking, in my job, to all kinds of Europeans with varying degrees of English so spoke without an accent and avoided phrases like 'by the skin of my teeth'.. I've no idea how the likes of errr Rooney would errr cope.

I also wonder why we have so many foreign coaches while very few English go to work in Europe, there must be a reason.

And why don't English managers ever win the PL, there must be a reason for that as well.

As I say, I've not had time to think it all through but I don't feel I've been tricked tbh.

Tricked wasn't probably the best word to use, perhaps "wrongly convinced" is more accurate.

Heckingbottom:

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I think your assessment is very harsh, yes he has a northern accent, as do most of us on this forum, if the players can't understand his English, which is very clear to me and perhaps clearer than some people from the London area, they need to get better at English not the manager.

British managers don't win the Prmeier League because they rarely get put in at top clubs and when they do they get the boot quicker than others due to the British coach stigma.

 

[Disco down under]

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-the-10-best-english-managers-in-football-right-now

This article is a touch of dates but **** me it makes utterly bleak reading regarding English coaches.

 

[Culinary]

They’ve put another tweet out saying the think these are just some of the names being considered not all. In other words it’s a load of ****e.

One of the Athletic journalists have tweeted the same story so I'd be inclined to think there's something in it. It's only saying Rosenior is being considered by Burnley though. May or may not be enough to impact on him coming here depending on how advanced it is. If it is at all.

 

[Smug in Boots]

If he is who we are in on, I would assume moving onto the next one might push us towards next week too.

I don’t know. Maybe I'm drained of optimism.

This is why I'm not really interested in discussing the minutiae of a coaches talents and tactics until I see the scarf photo ...

... I've been told it's Cifuentes but I haven't even Googled him.