New Head Coach

[Smug in Boots]

I don't think it's about sacking them, I would definitely keep Dodds around, but the new head coach needs to decide their role. If Still for example came in and wanted Dodds back in his developmental role and Speakman said no he needs to be the assistant a major problem. Plymouth had a similar issue with the coach they just sacked Forster, he brought zero coaches with him for his first major head coach job. Recipe for disaster.

Many good coach should be able to understand the manager's instructions and coach the players accordingly. Hopefully the manager would be heavily involved in the training.

And I'm quite keen for the manager to have an assistant, it's a big job and a good right hand man can be invaluable.

Whatever happens it ll needs to be crystal clear before the new manager arrives ...

... it's pointless having another Mowbray who takes the job then wants things changing to fit his philosophy.

 

[Zidane]

My view is that all 3 head coaches this season have had a pretty crap hand to play.

Mowbray had no strikers and it became incredibly predicable to the opposition. He was taking us down a blind alley and was resistant to change hence his sacking.

Beale thought that if the strikers were crap then best way forward was to improve defense and win 1.0. But he had no support and anyway, we ended up worse. He also had a injury pile up.

Dodds had to take on a squad that was confused by two sackings, low on confidence and lots of injuries. Dodds is also very inexperienced.

All this **** show goes back to the summer window.

Everything has been judged against the standard of reaching the playoffs when in reality the squad was upper mid table (without so many injuries) and with the injuries anyones guess, relegation as it stands in form guide.

Whoever they get in needs supported with a clear out of the crap and some proper players brought in.

Ill also add that we are restricting our options making a new head coach work with Dodds and Proctor and its time for them to move on. Fresh voices and ideas and all that

 

[Smug in Boots]

My view is that all 3 head coaches this season have had a pretty crap hand to play.

Mowbray had no strikers and it became incredibly predicable to the opposition. He was taking us down a blind alley and was resistant to change hence his sacking.

Beale thought that if the strikers were crap then best way forward was to improve defense and win 1.0. But he had no support and anyway, we ended up worse. He also had a injury pile up.

Dodds had to take on a squad that was confused by two sackings, low on confidence and lots of injuries. Dodds is also very inexperienced.

All this **** show goes back to the summer window.

Everything has been judged against the standard of reaching the playoffs when in reality the squad was upper mid table (without so many injuries) and with the injuries anyones guess, relegation as it stands in form guide.

Whoever they get in needs supported with a clear out of the crap and some proper players brought in.

Ill also add that we are restricting our options making a new head coach work with Dodds and Proctor and its time for them to move on. Fresh voices and ideas and all that

Yet they still take the money and claim they can make a difference ...

... I appreciate what you're saying but the squad is better than they're performing.

That has to be down to Mowbray, Beale and Dodds to some extent.

 

[The Professor]

I'm in know way criticising the way approach or the way the club is being run. i actually like the idea of it and it has been reasonably successful so far.

I'm merely questioning if it is more difficult to attract a 'proven manager' to work within them constraints, bearing in mind we have had two that have previously been critical of it

I guess that depends on the mentality of the manager/coach.....

do you want to come & work, develop a group of young hungry talented players?

Do you want to come work with a proven PL players, international class right at the peak of their career? Ill introduce you to JACK RODWELL to help make up your mind

Obviously were not going to get Pep or Klopp.... however lower end PL & certainly majority of championship level managers if they have anything about them should want to come here. Is the model to strict to make that happen? Probably, as well all know & hopefully KLD a little tweak is required

 

[OldNewtown]

Yet they still take the money and claim they can make a difference ...

... I appreciate what you're saying but the squad is better than they're performing.

That has to be down to Mowbray, Beale and Dodds to some extent.

A good workman never blames his tools
Can a good workman complain about the quality of the materials he has to work with?


As in all things the answer is probably a little bit of both.
The squad was short in certain areas but a decent coach should have been able to come up with a decent formation/ tactics to get the best out of the players available.

IIRC it was stated that the club would ideally identify a style of play and this would be imposed throughout the age levels in the club all the way to the first team. Speakman indicated that the preferred formation was 4231 and I think the high press was also mentioned. That being the case players should have been recruited to suit this style of play.. I accept that you can't always get the player that you want and I would much rather wait one window to get that player than to buy a player that will do a job. The problem comes when you cannot recruit that ideal player. In that respect I feel that the coaches do have a point and that they were left a little short.

To summarise, I believe that all parties must accept some responsibility for the problems that we have had this season. I sincerely hope that lessons have been learnt and that we address the position in the summer. I still believe that we are only 2-3 players away from a team that can mount a serious challenge for the play offs and that with a decent coach we have a realistic chance of challenging for promotion.

Right, tin hat on, fire away.

 

[SourPatch2]

A good workman never blames his tools
Can a good workman complain about the quality of the materials he has to work with?


As in all things the answer is probably a little bit of both.
The squad was short in certain areas but a decent coach should have been able to come up with a decent formation/ tactics to get the best out of the players available.

IIRC it was stated that the club would ideally identify a style of play and this would be imposed throughout the age levels in the club all the way to the first team. Speakman indicated that the preferred formation was 4231 and I think the high press was also mentioned. That being the case players should have been recruited to suit this style of play.. I accept that you can't always get the player that you want and I would much rather wait one window to get that player than to buy a player that will do a job. The problem comes when you cannot recruit that ideal player. In that respect I feel that the coaches do have a point and that they were left a little short.

To summarise, I believe that all parties must accept some responsibility for the problems that we have had this season. I sincerely hope that lessons have been learnt and that we address the position in the summer. I still believe that we are only 2-3 players away from a team that can mount a serious challenge for the play offs and that with a decent coach we have a realistic chance of challenging for promotion.

Right, tin hat on, fire away.

Great post. Think this bit about recruiting for a certain style is the key, we seem to have a bit of a mishmash squad full of players who suit different styles and that is definitely on the recruitment staff. But as you say the coaching hasn't been good enough either this season.

Nobody fully to blame, but also nobody is blameless.

 

[OldNewtown]

Nobody fully to blame, but also nobody is blameless.

Think that sums things up quite succinctly

 

[Smug in Boots]

Great post. Think this bit about recruiting for a certain style is the key, we seem to have a bit of a mishmash squad full of players who suit different styles and that is definitely on the recruitment staff. But as you say the coaching hasn't been good enough either this season.

Nobody fully to blame, but also nobody is blameless.

You could say that half the squad, and the club tbf, are unsure what position suits these players, let alone style.

Just for fun what do people think is the best position for Jobe, Rusyn, Mundle, Styles, Hjelde, Ekwah, Aouchiche ...

... and Ba

 

[SourPatch2]

You could say that half the squad, and the club tbf, are unsure what position suits these players, let alone style.

Just for fun what do people think is the best position for Jobe, Rusyn, Mundle, Styles, Hjelde, Ekwah, Aouchiche ...

... and Ba

Yeah exactly, and I really like some of them players.

 

[OldNewtown]

You could say that half the squad, and the club tbf, are unsure what position suits these players, let alone style.

Just for fun what do people think is the best position for Jobe, Rusyn, Mundle, Styles, Hjelde, Ekwah, Aouchiche ...

... and Ba

Errr, can I take a rain check on that

 

[Mackem-Tiz]

Yet they still take the money and claim they can make a difference ...

... I appreciate what you're saying but the squad is better than they're performing.

That has to be down to Mowbray, Beale and Dodds to some extent.

First time I've agreed with you in a long time. Great post

 

[Smug in Boots]

First time I've agreed with you in a long time. Great post

I'm not as bad as I make myself out to be!

 

[Iain]

I'm in know way criticising the way approach or the way the club is being run. i actually like the idea of it and it has been reasonably successful so far.

I'm merely questioning if it is more difficult to attract a 'proven manager' to work within them constraints, bearing in mind we have had two that have previously been critical of it

I keep saying the model will take quite a while to flourish. However my understanding of it in a simple term is:
Sign Jack Clarke for £5 million , sell for £20 million.
Buy 3 players for approx £7 million each
In 3 years they should be worth £25 million each.
Then in 6 years we have £75 million for the the initial £5 million investment.
I know it won't work as simple as that but what it does mean is the amount we spend each time will increase on the initial investment meaning the quality of player coming in will be of a much higher standard.
As well as this we will continue to invest in really young £1-2 million players that could turn out to be superstars.
Problem is right now we are at the start of the process, unfortunately it will not take shape until we sell one of our initial investments to then reinvest the profit

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

I keep saying the model will take quite a while to flourish. However my understanding of it in a simple term is:
Sign Jack Clarke for £5 million , sell for £20 million.
Buy 3 players for approx £7 million each
In 3 years they should be worth £25 million each.
Then in 6 years we have £75 million for the the initial £5 million investment.
I know it won't work as simple as that but what it does mean is the amount we spend each time will increase on the initial investment meaning the quality of player coming in will be of a much higher standard.
As well as this we will continue to invest in really young £1-2 million players that could turn out to be superstars.
Problem is right now we are at the start of the process, unfortunately it will not take shape until we sell one of our initial investments to then reinvest the profit

Stewart was sold for £10m

 

[Smug in Boots]

Stewart was sold for £10m

Who said that, are there conditions, when will the last of the money be paid?

 

[Mackem78]

I keep saying the model will take quite a while to flourish. However my understanding of it in a simple term is:
Sign Jack Clarke for £5 million , sell for £20 million.
Buy 3 players for approx £7 million each
In 3 years they should be worth £25 million each.
Then in 6 years we have £75 million for the the initial £5 million investment.
I know it won't work as simple as that but what it does mean is the amount we spend each time will increase on the initial investment meaning the quality of player coming in will be of a much higher standard.
As well as this we will continue to invest in really young £1-2 million players that could turn out to be superstars.
Problem is right now we are at the start of the process, unfortunately it will not take shape until we sell one of our initial investments to then reinvest the profit

Yeah, that's my understanding too in it's rawest form. The issue is not all young players develop at the same rate, and some won't realise their potential at all, (a risk with this model).

 

[Prehab26]

Stewart was sold for £10m

Got about 6.5m to be fair. Up front anyway. Rest was back to old club and another instalment.

 

[Iain]

Stewart was sold for £10m

And we've only recieved 3 upfront.
However we have spent more on transfers than incomings including Stewarts 10 million.
We've had to start from scratch as most of the team KLD inherited were worthless and released for nothing.
How much do you think Jobe is worth alone. A fraction of the money brought in from sales was used to buy him.
People keep mentioning the Stewart money, but we spent at least 7 million before we sold him, so where did that come from.

 

[Iain]

Yeah, that's my understanding too in it's rawest form. The issue is not all young players develop at the same rate, and some won't realise their potential at all, (a risk with this model).

It is but if you sign 5 for 1 million each, 2 end up worthless and 3 end up being worth 15 million it's a huge success.
That's speakmans job to get right.

 

[Hudson92]

Defoes thrown his hat in the ring….