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Spot on. Personally, I am not really sure why they both have been thrust into the main positions and actually a barrier to brining in top quality main head coaches. How many across the world would come with a demand that they both are prominent and on the first team bench ?

I hope Dodds smashes it and wins all games and gets it permanent btw. I just find it mad that we are reducing the pool of potential head coaches due to the obsession with proc and Dodds progression.


That's a very good point you've raised.
We stand a high chance of missing out on the right Head Coach, if KLD & KS insist on sticking with this policy.

What's needed is a little flexibility if we are to hire the right man for the job.
 
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That's a very good point you've raised.
We stand a high chance of missing out on the right Head Coach, if KLD & KS insist on sticking with this policy.

What's needed is a little flexibility if we are to hire the right man for the job.
If Will Still still comes in he will still, presumably, want to bring in at least some of his own team. I think the thing with Dodds and Proctor assisting Beale was just to thank them for filling in previously. It might also indicate that the club thought of Beale as a temporary option. I think you have to retain certain key staff in certain positions though to keep the continuity that the DoF/Head Coach system is meant to provide. Allowing each Head Coach to bring in a whole new staff each time defeats the point of it.

Which is why, I think, we will eventually have to look to foreign coaches who are more used to this kind of system.
 
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If Will Still still comes in he will still, presumably, want to bring in at least some of his own team. I think the thing with Dodds and Proctor assisting Beale was just to thank them for filling in previously. It might also indicate that the club thought of Beale as a temporary option. I think you have to retain certain key staff in certain positions though to keep the continuity that the DoF/Head Coach system is meant to provide. Allowing each Head Coach to bring in a whole new staff each time defeats the point of it.

Which is why, I think, we will eventually have to look to foreign coaches who are more used to this kind of system.

As long as the new manager works with our coaches it doesn't have to be a problem. If he wants them to work on certain set plays, tactics, formations, etc, he can set the agenda. There's no reason he can't work with them or bring an assistant.

At the end of the day it's a team effort and it doesn't have to be an entourage of half a dozen staff every time ...

... imagine if Beale had brought his team, Dodds & Proctor had left then he'd been sacked. The players would now have Doris the tea lady taking training and another half dozen coaches arriving with the new manager.

Mowbray and Neil didn't seem to have big problems, with the coaches, and we almost had consecutive promotions ...

... radical changes sound exciting but it can also sometimes cause more problems than it solves.
 
As long as the new manager works with our coaches it doesn't have to be a problem. If he wants them to work on certain set plays, tactics, formations, etc, he can set the agenda. There's no reason he can't work with them or bring an assistant.

At the end of the day it's a team effort and it doesn't have to be an entourage of half a dozen staff every time ...

... imagine if Beale had brought his team, Dodds & Proctor had left then he'd been sacked. The players would now have Doris the tea lady taking training and another half dozen coaches arriving with the new manager.

Mowbray and Neil didn't seem to have big problems, with the coaches, and we almost had consecutive promotions ...

... radical changes sound exciting but it can also sometimes cause more problems than it solves.
Important to remember Mowbray had Venus and Neil had Canning. Beale didnt have anyone he had built that relationship with for reasons unknown.

In my experience coaches work as team and the minimum is 2. A head and an assistant is norm. Some then want their own backroom staff of 1 or 2 more coaches, a fitness lead etc.

I would say as a minimum any new coach needs one alongside him he knows and trusts to work in the manner he wants. At the end of the day coaching isnt delievered the same way by different coaches, it isnt a by numbers thing. There isnt a playbook for it where you can say deliver defensive shape session 23 please. There is huge variation session to session and talking with one voice is critical as a team.

No idea if Dodds and Proctor are good enough to be honest. That needs to a decision for a future head coach though, after time. There is a danger the same backroom coaches all the time breed familiarity which can be dangerous too.
 
I think there is a lot of fees with incentives included here mind. I know we have invested. Not suggesting that, just feel the 10m fee , is over inflated due to how we structure deals.

Moreover, don't we have the 4 th lowest wage spend in the league ?
we don't actually know how are wages match up
to other championship clubs until this year accounts come out, only accounts that have come out so far is are wages from league 1
 
If Will Still still comes in he will still, presumably, want to bring in at least some of his own team. I think the thing with Dodds and Proctor assisting Beale was just to thank them for filling in previously. It might also indicate that the club thought of Beale as a temporary option. I think you have to retain certain key staff in certain positions though to keep the continuity that the DoF/Head Coach system is meant to provide. Allowing each Head Coach to bring in a whole new staff each time defeats the point of it.

Which is why, I think, we will eventually have to look to foreign coaches who are more used to this kind of system.
Agreed. What I was trying to say and didn't explain very well, is that the new head coach should be allowed to bring his own No.2 in with him.

I don't know where that leaves Mike Dodds if it does happen?
 
A name out of the blue. Luis Freire from Portugal. Was talking to a bloke through work last night and he was rambling on a bit about Sunderlands mgr search and he said this coach is on the list of a couple of English clubs, didnt name us. Asked how he knew and he said he has a financial interest in an agency business. No idea if that is true as I never met the bloke before, but it was a random enough suggestiom to peak my interst. He knew a lot about oversees football I will give him that. He thinks the lad from Sporting will get the Liverpool gig.
 
Agreed. What I was trying to say and didn't explain very well, is that the new head coach should be allowed to bring his own No.2 in with him.

I don't know where that leaves Mike Dodds if it does happen?
Oh yeah, definitely. Hopefully Dodds will go back to his development role.
 
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A name out of the blue. Luis Freire from Portugal. Was talking to a bloke through work last night and he was rambling on a bit about Sunderlands mgr search and he said this coach is on the list of a couple of English clubs, didnt name us. Asked how he knew and he said he has a financial interest in an agency business. No idea if that is true as I never met the bloke before, but it was a random enough suggestiom to peak my interst. He knew a lot about oversees football I will give him that. He thinks the lad from Sporting will get the Liverpool gig.
The only concern I have is that he doesn't seem to hang around at one club very long. A bit like Mike Beale I suppose? :emoticon-0116-evilg
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The only concern I have is that he doesn't seem to hang around at one club very long. A bit like Mike Beale I suppose? :emoticon-0116-evilg
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Suppose it is whether the moves were because he had done well and was snapped up. Seems like the case. I like the portugese coaches, they have a good approach to the game.
 
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Cooper is stand out for me.

He took a far weaker Forest squad up and moulded a bunch of players launched at him by a lunatic owner into a team and kept them up.

He previously had Swansea punching with a relatively poor squad.

Still, impressive as his works been; is managing in a piss poor league. I’d be delighted if we got him but he’s a far bigger gamble than Cooper who is proven.
 
Been arranging some Norwich tickets for a lad today and, in the process, was given my first bit of 'inside info' for ages.

The coaches have been trying various routines most of which he wouldn't repeat.

But he did mention Hjelde in central defence and Hume on the left which makes you think Seelt would be right side.

Or perhaps it was just training and means nothing.
 
Been arranging some Norwich tickets for a lad today and, in the process, was given my first bit of 'inside info' for ages.

The coaches have been trying various routines most of which he wouldn't repeat.

But he did mention Hjelde in central defence and Hume on the left which makes you think Seelt would be right side.

Or perhaps it was just training and means nothing.
I wouldn't be against a back 4 of..

Hume LB
Hjelde LCB
Onien RCB
Pembele RB

I do like Seelt though so if it's a straight swap for Ballard then that's fair enough as well.
 
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Been arranging some Norwich tickets for a lad today and, in the process, was given my first bit of 'inside info' for ages.

The coaches have been trying various routines most of which he wouldn't repeat.

But he did mention Hjelde in central defence and Hume on the left which makes you think Seelt would be right side.

Or perhaps it was just training and means nothing.
Training never means nothing mate. Ever. If any player ever thinks that, or any coach, they wont last in the game.