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Smug in Boots said:
KLD has invested time, effort and money into the club with the intention, as it is with every club, to reach the PL ... the financial reward is enormous.

So I really can't understand how anyone could believe the owner is penny pinching and happy to tread water in this league ...

... seriously what would be the point of that, it just wouldn't make any sense.

Yes he's treading carefully but clubs like Reading, Derby, etc, show how easy it is to fall through the ice.
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If he was penny pinching and here just to make money he could've easily sold 5 first team players in the summer and made north of £70m. He's come with a 5 year plan and that plan is being sustainable.
I think the buying young is so they grow with the team over them 5 years to become the experienced players people crave now and it would've been done without a massive outlay. With the view to being in the Premier league by then and able to compete.

Yes players will be sold over time, as happens everywhere but he hasn't come here to make us a 'selling club' or to make money off us.

Plus splashing money doesn't guarantee anything except massive debts!
 
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Smug in Boots said:
KLD has invested time, effort and money into the club with the intention, as it is with every club, to reach the PL ... the financial reward is enormous.

So I really can't understand how anyone could believe the owner is penny pinching and happy to tread water in this league ...

... seriously what would be the point of that, it just wouldn't make any sense.

Yes he's treading carefully but clubs like Reading, Derby, etc, show how easy it is to fall through the ice.
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For the simple reason mate, they want it now, they want are owner to plough millions into experienced PL players now, even though we have seen so many examples of it going wrong.
That is only successful if your owner is prepared to lose millions every year, Short did it for a while just to keep us up, however even with his money there was always a time when he said enough is enough. We were leaking millions every month, even if we'd been finishing 8th or 9th every season we would still have been leaking millions.
People need to look at Brentford as an example, but not what they are doing now but what they did at the start of the plan that's now reaping the rewards.
They are now in a position to spend a bit if they want to, and yes their owners will have spent millions on the infrastructure at the start, the same ad our are doing.
I've already heard complaints that some of the Ross Stewart money has gone on that, I'm quite happy if it has if it means in 5 years we are in a position like Brentford or Brighton.
Yet some of our fans want that 10 million spent on a striker now, who knows what Rusyn or Mayenda will be like in 2 months time if given the chance.
So many comments about if they were good enough they'd be playing, they've had their chance and were ****.
Not one of us knows what's going on within the club and on the training pitch.
I think still sitting in a play off place I'm our second season shows we are still moving in the right direction.
How many teams are in the play off one year and mid table the next till we get out of this league you will always be fighting against 3 teams that are still basically Premier league teams for 2 automatic spots for me finishing 3rd,4th,5th, or 6th in this league is a he'll of an achievement.
 
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Coastal Dolphins said:
Great result yesterday tbf.

Personally I'd have looked at Robins, solksjaer and Cooper if they'd had word he was on the edge at forest. Main thing is a bit of confidence should be back.
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Yeah, great result, hopefully followed up on Friday, which I am looking forward to attending with 6 more of my family.
Solksjaer doesn't appeal to me but I like the other 2 but, and it's a big but, I don't think they would have wanted to come here.
 
Culinary said:
I really don’t understand how this ‘penny pinching’ narrative has permeated into our fans’ consciousness so effectively. It’s spouted as generally accepted fact now (even by people/posters I’d consider to be quite well informed and reasonable) despite their being so much evidence to the contrary. We’ve got a sizeable proportion of our fanbase wanting KLD to sell up now ffs.

It’s just lunacy to me considering the change for good he’s implemented since coming in. Our ‘fanzines’ and ‘fan’ podcasts have a lot to answer for mind. The hysteria and group think around the Beale appointment has been shameful and embarrassing. If Beale (and KLD and Speakman) is a success then I’d like to think they’d be contrite and be more considered and measured in their reactions to things in future but we know that won’t be the case.
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It tends to come from poor information that has not been contextualised properly.

For example average wage bills will show that Ipswich have something like the fifth highest in the league where we are something like 15th but they tend not to put that with the fact that Ipswich are running at 120 percent of income which is a huge gamble based on the 3 year rolling cycle and may well bite them on the arse if they do not achieve promotion and we are running somewhere closer to 65 percent which is excellent and sustainable

The point being it makes us look cheap when the reality is far different as 65 percent of our revenue will be very close to the 120 percent of Ipswich revenue but fans have the opinion we are being cheap.
 
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Saf said:
Admittedly, I was one the very few on here that wanted shot of Mowbray in the summer. His record pretty much told us we had peak Mowbray and I thought we wouldn’t progress anymore with him and I don’t think we did, tbh. He done a great job while he was here and we should always be grateful for him but he had hit a brick wall and the change was absolutely needed.

Beale has shown he can be a top manager in this division. Not sure why people aren’t taking to him.
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Really? He’s hardly managed in this league. Wasn’t at QPR for very long at all.
 
Smug in Boots said:
KLD has invested time, effort and money into the club with the intention, as it is with every club, to reach the PL ... the financial reward is enormous.

So I really can't understand how anyone could believe the owner is penny pinching and happy to tread water in this league ...

... seriously what would be the point of that, it just wouldn't make any sense.

Yes he's treading carefully but clubs like Reading, Derby, etc, show how easy it is to fall through the ice.
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Completely agree mate, i just dont see what some cant.....it would be ridiculous to go all out for promotion spending big.....can people not see the financial mess we have just been through, yes we will make mistakes, i'm disappointed the 4 strikers we have brought in have yet to work, doesnt mean the 3 we own wont be a success, its not easy going & finding that proven striker to take you up.....wages are the biggest problem & if that signing doesnt work.....were stuck with them with no wiggle room in wage budget

SD signed a 'proven' striker to get us out of L1, we then spent the rest of Griggs contract trying to get rid of him

Southampton signed a good striker for decent money on decent wages, out for the season. Cracking deal for us, in the time period after we might have been going to spend that money.....nobody knows, the right player didnt come along so we didnt waste it & hopefully were identifying the right player for january. Although im expecting him not to be the finished article with still room for growth

With KLDs plan rather than the many clubs who tried & failed,now in financial trouble or promoted & still heading toward or close to financial trouble.......when we get promoted there should still be decent wiggle room in wage & transfer budget to give us a chance of staying up WITHOUT us risking the club & getting into FFP bother
 
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LD19SAFC said:
Really? He’s hardly managed in this league. Wasn’t at QPR for very long at all.
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Beale wouldnt have been my first choice..... unfortunately Pep was already taken....who insidently had only managed for a year in 3rd tier of Spanish football before taking over at Barcelona a completely massive step up....a bigger step up than Beales 20 year coaching & assistant manager record at some huge clubs.

Truth is we could have appointed a proven manager/coach like we have in the past & it could have failed like it has in the past....instead we have appointed an up & coming head coach with something to prove....it might work it might not...none of us know.....i do know it stands a hell of a better chance working with everyone behind Beale, like they were at Hull....if it fails, we go again until it works....i knew nowt about the foreign coaches mentioned, not a great deal about Beale, once @John 11:35 put his post up of his coaching career.....i couldnt see how any of those foreign coaches could be better suited....lets see, Hull result was massive, a win at Rotherham & we enter 2024 on a high.... anything could happen at that point
 
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Bwood_Ranger said:
Think he’ll do well. He’s got a great rep as a coach and he got our flair players playing at their best, albeit with a limited sample size of games, so he could do the same with yours. The Glasgow Rangers job was too big for him and this is probably as big a job as he was going to get.

Obviously I hope he fails miserably but that’s not a reflection on Sunderland.
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May have called this wrong soz
 
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It's dodds. Has to be. No way we are doing anything risky and long term after this.

I wanted Still at the time, still like the look of him but I would assume that will be business for the summer.

But this is all idle speculation.

**** knows.
 
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