Off Topic Migrant crisis

[Ubedizzy2]

Only two ways to stop this.

1) A returns agreement with France (ain’t ‘appening)
2) Physically push boats back in the channel and tell France it’s their responsibility to stop them getting to our border. And accept no one that goes into the water as a result.

 

[lardiman]

I can't take another year of culture wars from No. 10 and their propaganda wings in the press.

Watching this Government trying to convince anybody that Rwanda is a safe country is so bizarre it's tragically amusing.
Over one million men, women and children were mercilessly butchered there in the space of a few weeks.
That is the sick reputation that Rishi Sunak thinks will frighten would-be migrants from coming here.
That's why Rwanda was chosen.

Moral bankruptcy is a term that doesn't even begin to cover the depths our Government has sunk to.

 

[Smudger603]

Watching this Government trying to convince anybody that Rwanda is a safe country is so bizarre it's tragically amusing.
Over one million men, women and children were mercilessly butchered there in the space of a few weeks.
That is the sick reputation that Rishi Sunak thinks will frighten would-be migrants from coming here.
That's why Rwanda was chosen.

Moral bankruptcy is a term that doesn't even begin to cover the depths our Government has sunk to.

We’re heading for a lawless society with open borders - something needs to be done

 

[lardiman]

Something better than announcing half-arsed policies then doubling down every time they are proven worse than useless.

New treaties to adjust the truth.
Withdrawing from Human Rights conventions.
Defying the Supreme Court.

Acts of pure desperation. Digging an ever deeper hole - which will become this Government's unmarked grave whenever they finally pick a date to put us out of their misery.
And all this in the wake of Pandemic booze parties and 44 days of Truss.
The British People have never been forced to endure such a freak circus of egomaniacs, cracked evangelists and full-on f*ckwits.
And I'm only saying that because I like them.

 

[The Penguin]

We’re heading for a lawless society with open borders - something needs to be done

That's what the government is telling us, but this Rwanda scheme will probably never work, and they know it. It's all about being seen to at least try. It's fraudulent.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

And for anyone who is happy about British culture being eroded, here’s just one example of what you get instead. And this is comparatively mild……

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67422918

Anyone who can read that and not see the major problems of that type of culture is seriously deluded.

 

[The Penguin]

Net migration 672,000 for the year up to June. Presumably this doesn't include the small boat figures, only legal migrants, mostly non-EU.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

Net migration 672,000 for the year up to June. Presumably this doesn't include the small boat figures, only legal migrants, mostly non-EU.

Net migration to the UK for 2022 (the latest whole year) has been revised up to 745,000. Marvellous.

And illegal immigrants via the channel made up about 45,000 of those (roughly 6%).

So the next time you hear some goody two shoes, woke, liberal, middle class, migrant charity worker stating that the small boat issue is caused by the fact that there are no legal routes to enter the country, please do what I do and scream at the tele that they are talking complete boll*x.

How do they explain the 700,000 legal migrants exactly, if there are no legal routes ?



Key

= 10,000 legal migrants

 

[lardiman]

All I can add is that I don't think my poor old mum would have any care workers to call in on her if it wasn't for women coming to the UK from outside the EU (usually Africa) and being willing to take on that dreadfully under-paid but vital work.

I'm sure the same can be said for many types of crucial but under-funded and overlooked branches of medical & social care. In and out of the NHS.

None of which are given any attention by Government ministers, as they all use Private medical & social care - of course. As do their Daily Mail reading followers.

All we hear from Sunak & Co is "Cut immigration. Make it tougher to come here."
Ooh, the irony.
Well who do they expect to do the thankless care work needed by millions of pensioners and vulnerable folk?
Young British people won't do it for the pittance they are paid and the social status of the job - just below litter picking and bagging road-kill apparently.
Certainly far below getting groped by the perv supervisor at McDonald's.

Lurching ever further to the right on these issues is helping nobody.
Not even the Tories themselves. Because their tough rhetoric masks only bungling and incompetence.
Even Daily Mail readers will only lap up the patter for so long if the reality is unregulated chaos.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

All I can add is that I don't think my poor old mum would have any care workers to call in on her if it wasn't for women coming to the UK from outside the EU (usually Africa) and being willing to take on that dreadfully under-paid but vital work.

I'm sure the same can be said for many types of crucial but under-funded and overlooked branches of medical & social care. In and out of the NHS.

None of which are given any attention by Government ministers, as they all use Private medical & social care - of course. As do their Daily Mail reading followers.

All we hear from Sunak & Co is "Cut immigration. Make it tougher to come here."
Ooh, the irony.
Well who do they expect to do the thankless care work needed by millions of pensioners and vulnerable folk?
Young British people won't do it for the pittance they are paid and the social status of the job - just below litter picking and bagging road-kill apparently.
Certainly far below getting groped by the perv supervisor at McDonald's.

Lurching ever further to the right on these issues is helping nobody.
Not even the Tories themselves. Because their tough rhetoric masks only bungling and incompetence.
Even Daily Mail readers will only lap up the patter for so long if the reality is unregulated chaos.

The issue, as you hit on, is pay.

Why would a young British person do the social care work for far less pay than they can get working in McDonalds or sitting at home eating hobnobs whilst every now and then answering the phone from their home office ?

It’s different for the African workers. They can earn far more here than they can in Africa (or wherever) so that is why they are happy to do those jobs for the pittance.

It is that dilemma which keeps the wages down and so perpetuates and worsens the problem.

And who gains the most from low wages ? The rich of course.

Before we had mass migration these jobs were done by British people on proper decent wages. If we went back to proper decent wages then we could have that again and wouldn’t need the mass migration to fill those jobs. Our elderly might then be able to actually understand what their care workers were saying as well.

But it won’t happen because that would mean less profit or more tax for the rich. And as the rich decide these things they are not going to change the current system.

 

[The Penguin]

The issue, as you hit on, is pay.

Why would a young British person do the social care work for far less pay than they can get working in McDonalds or sitting at home eating hobnobs whilst every now and then answering the phone from their home office ?

It’s different for the African workers. They can earn far more here than they can in Africa (or wherever) so that is why they are happy to do those jobs for the pittance.

It is that dilemma which keeps the wages down and so perpetuates and worsens the problem.

And who gains the most from low wages ? The rich of course.

Before we had mass migration these jobs were done by British people on proper decent wages. If we went back to proper decent wages then we could have that again and wouldn’t need the mass migration to fill those jobs. Our elderly might then be able to actually understand what their care workers were saying as well.

But it won’t happen because that would mean less profit or more tax for the rich. And as the rich decide these things they are not going to change the current system.

The trouble is that the genie of low wages is out the bottle now, and the system has adjusted accordingly. If I remember rightly there was a special body to negotiate farmworkers' wages, but it was abolished by Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton sometime during his term of office. Food prices have dropped accordingly in a competitive market, and former farmworkers have found employment elsewhere. I was speaking to a local farmer year before last, and she told me that British workers aren't up to the hard work, which is why she used East Europeans. To pay the same wages as British farm labourers used to get for what is quite gruelling work the prices would have to go up, and with so many living in poverty it would be the last straw for some.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

This country is fooked, good and proper.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

It seems to me that most countries are too.

And it all boils down to one thing.

My heart breaks at how we have descended into a pit of degradation.

 

[Smudger603]

This country is fooked, good and proper.

Sums it up beautifully

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

This country is fooked, good and proper.

No way back I fear.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

The government will hope to win the GE by promising to bring down immigration, same as they do every GE. It actually suits them to have immigration at a high level.

No way back I fear.

Two of the most succinct and accurate replies you could hope to see on a public forum. One after the other. If Carlsberg did football forums……

 

[lardiman]

Since we can't send any asylum seekers to Rwanda, Rishi's latest crackpot idea is to send a bunch of Lawyers over there
We're taking over the Rwandan Court system.

Form an orderly queue all you lawyers - no doubt falling over yourselves to move to the Republic of Genocide
I hear it's nice there at this time of year

 

[Ubedizzy2]

Mass immigration, encouraged by Blair’s government has changed this country forever. Successive governments have done nothing to change things and even those that claimed to want to reduce immigration didn’t really want to do so, or at least lacked the stomach to make the tough decision. Perhaps as we’ve discussed before, if they had of done then they wouldn’t have been in power for very long anyway.

An over generous left wing benefits system has told two generations of Britains that they don’t need to work hard to be able to live well, the state will support their endless children and their needs at a cost to those who do work hard. Have more kids ? Get more money and a bigger house.

A liberal attitude to crime and punishment means that there is no fear of being caught any more. A very short spell in prison is no deterrent when the benefits of crime are so high. And it self perpetuates of course, as once the prisons are full, every time someone new is put in jail, someone has to be released at the other end. Sentences for crimes should reflect what is correct for that crime, not how many spaces there are in prisons. There should be NO early release whatsoever. 10 years means 10 years, not 3.

Multi-culturism is a failed left wing social engineering project which was never going to work. The country is more divided and insular than ever before. Allowing entire Indian villages to relocate to this country and recreate their village here without a will to integrate is just plain stupid. And the same goes for many other ‘communities’. The Afro-Caribbean culture of absent fathers producing endless fit strong young men with no paternal guidance is a disaster. The import of 100’s of thousands of Eastern European folk, many of whom were criminals back in their home countries, hundreds of thousands of Chinese students filling our universities because they can pay more than British people. ‘Refugees’ from across the world who are not refugees at all.

And it all self-perpetuates even further. Many of these people will need benefits, most of them will need social care, so we’ll need even more cheap labour to care for them and on and on it goes.

Left wing policies ARE correct in theory, but in practice they are a disaster.

 

[lardiman]

Genuine question: Is Robert Jenrick a halfwit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67622998

Migrant workers do all the thankless low esteem & low pay jobs because British workers won't do them.
Our own people are hardly likely to jump at the 300,000 new vacancies just because he says they will.
What part of that reality can't he grasp?

 

[Ken Shabby]

Genuine question: Is Robert Jenrick a halfwit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67622998

Migrant workers do all the thankless low esteem & low pay jobs because British workers won't do them.
Our own people are hardly likely to jump at the 300,000 new vacancies just because he says they will.
What part of that reality can't he grasp?

They literally don't care how stupid they sound now. It's just one idiotic sound bite after another. Does anyone remember there is a shortage of workers for a lot of low paid work? Probably, but that 21% who are still intent on voting Conservative are simply overjoyed thyat we will only be recruiting high paid workers. And assume all the benefit scroungers (who are now to have their bank accounts watched under new powers from this government) will be happy to take up back breaking work in the feilds, despite having a note from the doctor explaining that this may kill them.