Off Topic Migrant crisis

[Ubedizzytoo]

Almost 1,000 migrants cross English Channel over bank holiday weekend

A total of 989 people arrived in the UK in 14 boats between Friday and Monday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh good another thousand. Meanwhile here in the South East we are already being told of water shortages due to increased demand (wouldn’t be anything to do with the tens of thousands of new homes built/being built to cope with the increased UK population would it ?) 3 days of hot weather and houses are already going without water. It’s a f*cking joke.

 

[Smudger603]

Almost 1,000 migrants cross English Channel over bank holiday weekend

A total of 989 people arrived in the UK in 14 boats between Friday and Monday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh good another thousand. Meanwhile here in the South East we are already being told of water shortages due to increased demand (wouldn’t be anything to do with the tens of thousands of new homes built/being built to cope with the increased UK population would it ?) 3 days of hot weather and houses are already going without water. It’s a f*cking joke.

Water has gone off tonight in the Whitstable/ Hernia Bay Area !

 

[lardiman]

Goodness me. Yet again you are putting words into my post which I have not written. Something which you did recently as well. More leaps, more suppositions in your mind and more words which I simply have not written, but suit you to write in order to create outrage and a bigger divide.

The words I have used of yours were direct lifts from your post and are in context.

The words you have used and meanings derived from them are not words I have written.

If I am wrong and I have said somewhere that you are ‘a sympathiser with *****philes’ or that I believe that you ‘approve of and defend the actions of child molesters’ then show me where I have written that. I won’t offer to apologise if you can, as I know that you can’t as I have not and would not say that.

I stand by everything I have written and if you do the same then of course that’s fine and it’s a difference of opinion. But attributing what would be very unpleasant words to me, that I simply have not used and doing so in a very negative way, will again illicit a robust rebuttal.

I apologise.

I over-reacted to something which did not exist in your post.
The notion that content I had posted previously was being distorted and reflected back to ridicule my original meaning stung me.
And I mistakenly took it as a personal attack.

If I feel that sensation again upon reading something I will walk away for a while and reflect calmly, rather than give in to a flash of anger.
One more lesson hopefully learned at the cost of some considerable embarrassment.
I hope you can see your way to forgive my unjustified outburst.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

I apologise.

I over-reacted to something which did not exist in your post.
The notion that content I had posted previously was being distorted and reflected back to ridicule my original meaning stung me.
And I mistakenly took it as a personal attack.

If I feel that sensation again upon reading something I will walk away for a while and reflect calmly, rather than give in to a flash of anger.
One more lesson hopefully learned at the cost of some considerable embarrassment.
I hope you can see your way to forgive my unjustified outburst.

No need to offer an apology, but I accept it in good faith anyway. Certainly absolutely no need for any forgiveness !

These things happen and coincidentally, this week I was engaged in a perfectly polite exchange on a WhatsApp group I’m in, but a disagreement was beginning to build and I wrote quite a sharp response to something which probably wouldn’t have been taken well by my colleague. Anyway, for some reason I decided not to send it straight away, but just left it there in the text box ready to send. A few hours later I remembered and went back on WA to send it, but having read it again I said to myself “stop being a plonker and just delete it” which I then did. I am so glad that I did, as nothing good would have come from it and it would’ve just created unnecessary friction with someone I like. I haven’t always done that in the past so I’m quite pleased that my online persona has improved itself.

So all’s good and I look forward to my next joust with the very best forum moderator.

 

[TwoWrights]

So all’s good and I look forward to my next joust with the very best forum moderator.

Changing boards, eh?


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

Changing boards, eh?


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

Yes, Reams has forgiven me and invited me back onto ITWV

 

[TwoWrights]

Yes, Reams has forgiven me and invited me back onto ITWV

Groucho Marx type reply to the invitation?


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

Over a million youngsters out of work.

Why? Too many people in the country means more people than job vacancies.

Just another example of this country cutting its own throat.

Reduce the population by ten million and overnight we'd improve housing, hospitals, schools, prisons, the bloated welfare state and youth unemployment.

Open borders is for the deranged.

 

[lardiman]

There are a million job vacancies in the care sector.
But even with migrants coming to the UK to do some of that work, fewer than half a million people are in training to become carers.

Reducing the population by 10 million is not the answer, unless a percentage of that 10 million are elderly / vulnerable people who need continuous social care.
Reducing the population by 10 million if none of the 10 million removed are those who need social care, would mean an instant collapse of the care system, which is already chronically under-staffed. Let alone what it would do to the NHS.

A 10 million population reduction would be a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut.
The number of small boat illegal migrants still in the UK right now (for example) is around 250,000.
A number 40 times smaller than 10 million.

We may both agree that the removal of that quarter million (none of whom are care workers or NHS staff), plus an effective way to prevent more coming in those dangerous small boats, would be a more achievable goal.
I'm not sure there are even 10 million people in the UK who were born abroad - if you don't count their children who were born here.

PS:

I'm posting again on this thread, as I now accept what I claimed a few weeks ago as unacceptable ridicule was nothing more than another example of me having a thin skin.
I should learn not to take counter-argument personally. Something I have always struggled with when the subject is controversial.
Still, it should never be too late to learn.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

There are approximately 13 million foreign-born individuals living in the UK. That's a fair old chunk of the population. I should imagine a large percentage are either claiming benefits or working low-skilled jobs (or both) that our own youths could be doing. Instead, we import people to work the low-paid jobs whilst propping them up with UC and other sundries such as child benefit, housing benefit and carers allowance.

Immigration costs countless billions each year, yet really it could pay for itself if administered effectively. Trouble is, we rarely say no to anyone. There are certain ethic groups who largely do nothing of use, live on benefits in social housing and commit crimes. Utterly pointless. We are mugs.

But yes, I could find ten million.

It doesn't really matter, though. This country, like most of mainland Europe, is screwed. Get out if you can and move to Poland.

 

[lardiman]

I stand corrected.
13 million people in the UK were born abroad. One in five of us.
Around 4 million of them born in EU Countries, with 9 million born outside Europe.

Sadly the care jobs available are so poorly paid and seemingly held in such low regard by society that UK born young people don't want to do them. Even as the first rung of a ladder to better things.
Many migrants will do those low paid and largely thankless jobs because the money (low as it is seen to be here) is still enough to help them in their early careers (often continued after they leave the UK again) and even help to support families, living in Countries where wages are a tiny fraction of what can be earned here.

Millions of young people in this Country are sold a dream of a good paying job if they get through University, then shouldered with huge tuition fee debts to take unsuitable courses - and ending up not having the qualifications that UK businesses want.
Graduates are being turned down for jobs as cleaners or baristas.

Grafting for basic pay - for several years - is how I began my career as a metalworker, then a factory manager. It was a slow process.
I'm glad I am not 20 years old now. I don't think I would feel I have a working future.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

I stand corrected.
13 million people in the UK were born abroad. One in five of us.
Around 4 million of them born in EU Countries, with 9 million born outside Europe.

Sadly the care jobs available are so poorly paid and seemingly held in such low regard by society that UK born young people don't want to do them. Even as the first rung of a ladder to better things.
Many migrants will do those low paid and largely thankless jobs because the money (low as it is seen to be here) is still enough to help them in their early careers (often continued after they leave the UK again) and even help to support families, living in Countries where wages are a tiny fraction of what can be earned here.

Millions of young people in this Country are sold a dream of a good paying job if they get through University, then shouldered with huge tuition fee debts to take unsuitable courses - and ending up not having the qualifications that UK businesses want.
Graduates are being turned down for jobs as cleaners or baristas.

Grafting for basic pay - for several years - is how I began my career as a metalworker, then a factory manager. It was a slow process.
I'm glad I am not 20 years old now. I don't think I would feel I have a working future.

It’s the low pay which is the issue. As you’ve said, for someone coming from abroad with no ties to the UK and willing to live in a cramped room in a HMO surrounded by others of a similar persuasion then it isn’t low pay.

But for a UK born young man or woman from a different background and different expectations it is low pay.

Instead of making pay fairer in relation to the work being done, successive Governments have just taken the cheap option of importing foreigners to do the jobs on the low pay. The drive to the bottom. Private employers know this only too well so are happy to pay even below minimum wage, knowing that there will still be some poor soul from some hell-hole around the world who will do the work for a pittance. And the employer just gets richer and richer while the country just imports more and more problems. It stinks.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

I stand corrected.
13 million people in the UK were born abroad. One in five of us.
Around 4 million of them born in EU Countries, with 9 million born outside Europe.

Sadly the care jobs available are so poorly paid and seemingly held in such low regard by society that UK born young people don't want to do them. Even as the first rung of a ladder to better things.
Many migrants will do those low paid and largely thankless jobs because the money (low as it is seen to be here) is still enough to help them in their early careers (often continued after they leave the UK again) and even help to support families, living in Countries where wages are a tiny fraction of what can be earned here.

Millions of young people in this Country are sold a dream of a good paying job if they get through University, then shouldered with huge tuition fee debts to take unsuitable courses - and ending up not having the qualifications that UK businesses want.
Graduates are being turned down for jobs as cleaners or baristas.

Grafting for basic pay - for several years - is how I began my career as a metalworker, then a factory manager. It was a slow process.
I'm glad I am not 20 years old now. I don't think I would feel I have a working future.

Out of interest, where did you get the figure of one million care vacancies? That seems a little high.

I was reading earlier that many youngsters are applying to over 400 companies, yet they never receive a response. They are trying their hardest to gain employment. The market is simply overwhelmed with applicants.

If there really are a million care jobs out there, the system should demand the unemployed enter the care sector - or else they lose their benefits.

 

[lardiman]

Out of interest, where did you get the figure of one million care vacancies? That seems a little high.

I was reading earlier that many youngsters are applying to over 400 companies, yet they never receive a response. They are trying their hardest to gain employment. The market is simply overwhelmed with applicants.

If there really are a million care jobs out there, the system should demand the unemployed enter the care sector - or else they lose their benefits.

I recall hearing it on the radio. I may not have remembered it correctly

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

Out of interest, where did you get the figure of one million care vacancies? That seems a little high.

I was reading earlier that many youngsters are applying to over 400 companies, yet they never receive a response. They are trying their hardest to gain employment. The market is simply overwhelmed with applicants.

If there really are a million care jobs out there, the system should demand the unemployed enter the care sector - or else they lose their benefits.

I recall hearing it on the radio. I may not have remembered it correctly

There are currently only 705,000 job vacancies in the UK in total. Nowhere near that in the care sector obviously.

Lardi - I think your memory’s going.

Edit : 110,000 in the adult care sector apparently

So back to Ponders point - over 1 million youngsters out of work cannot all find work in the care sector or other jobs at all and yet we are still importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners each year. It’s utter madness, unless you’re a Government trying to enforce your bleeding heart, left wing ideology or one of the employers with a vacancy, happy to pay below minimum wage to a poor person with no ties to this country, living in a HMO, and being topped up with benefits by the taxpayer.

 

[lardiman]

There are currently only 705,000 job vacancies in the UK in total. Nowhere near that in the care sector obviously.

Lardi - I think your memory’s going.

I might have added a zero.

Going to apply for the job of calculating attendance at the Valley

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

I might have added a zero.

Going to apply for the job of calculating attendance at the Valley

You’d be a shoe-in working as Diane Abbott’s researcher.

Or Nicola Sturgeon’s accountant.

Or Angela Raynor’s tax advisor.

Or Zak Polanski’s council tax guru.

The world’s your oyster with Maths acumen like yours

NB - but keep away from Nigel Farage as every one of your minor discrepancies will be unlawfully unearthed, highlighted, investigated and dragged through the hedge backwards .

 

[The Pub Landlord]

Just a quick intervention. The boat immigrants may total about 250,000 but to that number should be added lorry and train stowaways, plus those coming in by yacht and light aircraft. Eastbourne Marina is renowned for the number of shady people seen running from it and there are many similar locations from Cornwall to Norfol. Add to these the visa overstayed. I think the number would be frightening. When I lived in China the Police did a raid on "Little Nigeria" in Guangzhou. They rounded up areas and found huge numbers there, sharing passports, who apparently relied on the fact that one Nigerian looks much like another to the average Chinese. With a regular turnover of travellers there were always enough legitimate passports in circulation. It's the main reason why the Chinese brought in the policy of taking fingerprints with each visa applications. There were mass deportations (and one death when someone tried to escape by jumping from a 6th floor car park) but the problem is now completely under control. We could do a lot worse than follow this example.

 

[lardiman]

There is no political will to grasp this nettle.
Even those claiming now that they have the stomach for it will fail to deliver should they be elected.
There is no quick fix.

Eventually matters will evolve into a cultural blending (for want of a better expression), as they have after mass migrations throughout history.
However it will take decades, three generations probably. And a lot of blood will be spilt.
History shows us this is how it works.

 

[The Pub Landlord]

There is no political will to grasp this nettle.
Even those claiming now that they have the stomach for it will fail to deliver should they be elected.
There is no quick fix.

Eventually matters will evolve into a cultural blending (for want of a better expression), as they have after mass migrations throughout history.
However it will take decades, three generations probably. And a lot of blood will be spilt.
History shows us this is how it works.

I believe the cultural blending into a low IQ mass has been the plan ever since Thatcher abolished grammar schools in the 80s. The post-war generation of uppity and educated working class people was a problem. Far easier to put the clever ones into classes full of ******s who mock academic excellence. These days it's hard to find anyone under 40 who knows anything other than pop culture. To this diminishing IQ level has been added millions of largely low IQ immigrants and this has resulted in a majority population that is of no use whatever. Many under 30s speak as if they come from Jamaican slums. Immigration is a serious problem but it fits my perspective of the long term plan.