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The Norton Cat said:
Transfermarkt value Issa Diop at £19.8 million. He's just moved for £22 million. Transfermarkt value Łukasz Fabianski at £5 million. He's just moved for £7 million.

Transfermarkt value Paddy McNair at £2.7 million. We're happy to accept £5 million for him.

There's absolute consistency there. Players are sold for a couple of million more than they are valued on Transfermarkt.
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Transfermarkt valuations are given by members of public signed up to the site and generally runs out of the forum part of the site and is put to a moderator(anyone can apply to be a moderator or data scout). It's completely amateur and there's no expertise in it. Most of the time they're putting valuations in place without ever seeing the player as it's mostly german users. Anything which involves guesswork like valuations should be taken with a Wiki style pinch of salt. Not to say they never get it right. Just saying it's down to a non expert personal opinion just like anybody on here.
 
Brian Storm said:
Yet another instance of a reporter writing like agents don't exist. Would love to know how much agents pay to the media.

The bid has been accepted. If the lad isn't rushing to talk terms it's down to the agent not us. In the meantime we'll accept any matching bid as per norm. Shocking journalism that.
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Seems like they just see it as an opportunity to stick the boot in.
 
Brian Storm said:
Transfermarkt valuations are given by members of public signed up to the site and generally runs out of the forum part of the site and is put to a moderator(anyone can apply to be a moderator or data scout). It's completely amateur and there's no expertise in it. Most of the time they're putting valuations in place without ever seeing the player as it's mostly german users. Anything which involves guesswork like valuations should be taken with a Wiki style pinch of salt. Not to say they never get it right. Just saying it's down to a non expert personal opinion just like anybody on here.
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And? Just because it's driven by public contributions doesn't mean that it can't be vaguely accurate. Nor does that detract from the fact that the values given by Transfermarkt for the players that I used as examples were very close to the quantities that they moved for.

As I understand it Transfermarkt calculates value by looking at contract worth = length + wages earned. This means that sometimes they will give inaccurate valuations, however, there are clearly examples where there valuations are near accurate and that is the case for Diop, Fabianski, and, seemingly, McNair.
 
The Norton Cat said:
And? Just because it's driven by public contributions doesn't mean that it can't be vaguely accurate. Nor does that detract from the fact that the values given by Transfermarkt for the players that I used as examples were very close to the quantities that they moved for.

As I understand it Transfermarkt calculates value by looking at contract worth = length + wages earned. This means that sometimes they will give inaccurate valuations, however, there are clearly examples where there valuations are near accurate and that is the case for Diop, Fabianski, and, seemingly, McNair.
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As I said <doh> No need to get arsey. I was just a member when I wrote for RR so was able to share how it works.

By the way, they have no more access to earnings than anyone else. Another grey area on the site that comes down to estimates.
 
Brian Storm said:
As I said <doh> No need to get arsey. I was just a member when I wrote for RR so was able to share how it works.

By the way, they have no more access to earnings than anyone else. Another grey area on the site that comes down to estimates.
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No matter how Transfermarkt reach their valuations, they are clearly close to accurate in several identifiable examples. This includes McNair, suggesting that the fee of £5 million for him is perfectly acceptable. Of course it would be nice to get some of the fees imagined but the reality is that he just isn't worth that much and any criticism that the new owners get for accepting £5 million for him is unjustified.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
No matter how Transfermarkt reach their valuations, they are clearly close to accurate in several identifiable examples. This includes McNair, suggesting that the fee of £5 million for him is perfectly acceptable. Of course it would be nice to get some of the fees imagined but the reality is that he just isn't worth that much and any criticism that the new owners get for accepting £5 million for him is unjustified.
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going round in circles. Forget it.
 
Brian Storm said:
All the more reason to dig and make the agent panic into thinking we'll do a Rodwell with him. Letting the agents continue to be vultures isn't the way imo.
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Yes , if the agent fails to get a move , or we don’t accept offers , he’s soured the relationship and Jack Ross could take the attitude- I don’t want you near my players when you are not interested in us . As you say , he could be another Rodwell and lose it all. It would be nice though to see the agent lose his income stream !
 
Boro withdraw their offer. Seems daft, isn't it due course that clubs accept offers from other clubs up until personal terms are agreed?

Is this Donald playing the game?
 
Brian Storm said:
That's not entirely true though. Catts still has three years on his contract and wants every penny. He my not be willing to take a lump sum, he may want his wage propped up for the next three years by us at his club new club. It's common practice now. Catt's Kone and Ndong could all keep the Short shadow hanging over our club for the next 3 years. Year three without a PL promotion those would become very problematic.
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I don't get the impression that we'll be held to ransom over crazy inflated wages. Think Cards will end up making a realistic move. Possibly just wishful thinking.
 
@sunderlandafc11
Sky Sports News understands Sunderland midfielder Paddy McNair has agreed personal terms with Middlesbrough.

The Northern Irish international will have a medical tomorrow, with a fee agreed in the region of £5m.
 
Teessidemakem said:
No idea but going from potential ability considering hes a young lad and the fact we paid 5.5m suggests its a shyte deal and yet another kick in the teeth for us, made worse from the fact hes gone to a local team that has half the fan base/facilities we have.
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Wasn't it 5 mil for McNair and Love?
 
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