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From the FA:

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

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Don;t think we're ever going to agree - I'm with @MrRAWhite on this one - the rules state that a challenge where both feet are off the ground is out of control - thus endangering an opponent's safety - red card all day long in my book whether you get the ball or not as stated above
 
marcusblackcat said:
From the FA:

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Laws of the game written - not interpretation but actual law
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I don't think we will agree, mate. I don't see that as lunging at an opponent. It's not like Max had the ball and he went flying into him.
 
marcusblackcat said:
From the FA:

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Laws of the game written - not interpretation but actual law
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But it doesn't specifically say that if both feet leave the floor it's an automatic red.

with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
That bit is still open to interpretation though because it gives no guidance as to what excessive force or endangering the opponent is. Even the glossary bit at the beginning of the section doesn't give clear examples and leaves it up to individual interpretation.
 
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CBD saffy said:
Basically its the angle of the boot. You can dive into a challenge without your boot being turned up and your studs pointing to the sky.
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But both feet are off the ground. The cavity benieth it between the boots and grass is where the studs are up with no control. Any contact can shatter bones. Don't think it's down to the angle of the boot mate. I always take studs up as in up off the playing surface. Stamping in with one foot has seen Catts sent off many a time. This was two feet. Potential career wreaker IMO.

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CBD saffy said:
Can somebody put the laws of the game up where it says if both feet leave the ground it is a red card. I'll wait right here.
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It's not that spacific mate. It mentions going in without control and dangerous play. But not that spacific. The rules of the game would be like a Bible to go into that much detail.

I can't upload on this phone or I would screen shot what I mean

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marcusblackcat said:
From FIFA via the daily mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2092434/Two-footed-challenges-red-cards.html

Slide tackles that are made as two-footed lunges at an opponent are generally considered to endanger the safety of an opponent and are hence sanctioned as serious foul play, resulting in a sending-off. This is still the case even if the ball is won cleanly without touching an opponent.

Referees are advised that if both feet are off the ground players have no control over their actions.
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This is how I interpreted it

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The Norton Cat said:
But it doesn't specifically say that if both feet leave the floor it's an automatic red.

with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
That bit is still open to interpretation though because it gives no guidance as to what excessive force or endangering the opponent is. Even the glossary bit at the beginning of the section doesn't give clear examples and leaves it up to individual interpretation.
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Haway man. People have been getting sent of for this for decades [emoji23] common sense, being airborne feet up and out with no center of gravity is about as dangerous as a player can go into a tackle.

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Brian Storm said:
This is how I interpreted it

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Brian Storm said:
It's not that spacific mate. It mentions going in without control and dangerous play. But not that spacific. The rules of the game would be like a Bible to go into that much detail.

I can't upload on this phone or I would screen shot what I mean

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Exactly mate, this is clearly down to opinion. The rule book could be changed to two feet leaving the ground is a red card, but at the moment, it doesn't say that.
 
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marcusblackcat said:
Never thgouth we'd get this much debate on it!! Love it when opinions differ and people are sensible about it!!
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Exactly, mate. It would be boring if we all had the same opinion :emoticon-0150-hands
 
Brian Storm said:
Haway man. People have been getting sent of for this for decades [emoji23] common sense, being airborne feet up and out with no center of gravity is about as dangerous as a player can go into a tackle.

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I didn't say that in my opinion a player shouldn't be sent off for that sort of challenge. I said that the official laws of the game leave it up to individual interpretation. As we've seen here, different people see things different ways. Unless the rules specifically state that one foot must remain on the floor in all challenges there will always be grey areas around this.
 
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David Moyes' Stupid Face said:
You do realise "studs up" doesn't mean "pointing to the sky", it just means not pointing at the ground..?
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Yeah, Bri corrected me just a few posts ago.

I conceed that, however, I was still right to go against the majority when I was being accused of 'not knowing the law'
 
CBD saffy said:
Basically its the angle of the boot. You can dive into a challenge without your boot being turned up and your studs pointing to the sky.
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He'd have to be going into a 50/50 challenge pointing his toes if his studs aren't up man, no one has ever done that ... he's a football player not a ballerina.
 
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Lots of debate over one tackle.
whilst not trying to defend the Referee in this incident it is obvious that even amongst ourselves the views are so different that it isn't surprising this Ref came out with the wrong conclusion.
it's going to be interesting over our next few games to see just how the officials deal with those games as there is no doubt that word will have got round the Referee fraternity about Powers red card being wiped off.
Could it be more pressure on the Refs or could we see them actually doing a proper job for a change.
Time will tell.
 
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