Mark Sampson done one.

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Tuckin said:
Exactly. The FA even acknowledged this and offered the compensation on this basis, to replace lost earnings of a centrally contracted player.

I'm not a huge follower of the women's game, but I don't think there's much doubt that she's still more than good enough to be in the squad on merit, is there?
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False, she was given a new contract on top of her payout.

'As well as the £80,000 payment, the governing body also awarded Aluko a new one-year central contract, worth £20,000, despite her making it clear she would never appear for England again “under his [Sampson’s] management'

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/16/eni-aluko-fa-under-pressure-explain-money
 
Tuckin said:
I'm not a huge follower of the women's game, but I don't think there's much doubt that she's still more than good enough to be in the squad on merit, is there?
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She's not done much of late so I'd say a recall on current form is unlikely. That said, she may well have been distracted. If she can get back to anything like her form of three years ago or so, she'd be a cert. How that would fit in with a team that embraced Mark Sampson so readily and openly in one of their most recent games is another matter...
 
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originallambrettaman said:
I don't think it's a coincidence at all, she was dropped purely for speaking out against the manager.
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Her form had dropped and younger better players where already starting to push ahead of her.....thats from a number of woman I know playing top level women's football,

None of us will ever know the truth, all we do know is that whatever happened it's been an absolute clusterfuck by the fa yet again
 
howdentiger said:
Her form had dropped and younger better players where already starting to push ahead of her.....thats from a number of woman I know playing top level women's football,

None of us will ever know the truth, all we do know is that whatever happened it's been an absolute clusterfuck by the fa yet again
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Wasnt she the top goal scorer at the time of being dropped?
 
HCAFC (Airlie Tiger) said:
False, she was given a new contract on top of her payout.

'As well as the £80,000 payment, the governing body also awarded Aluko a new one-year central contract, worth £20,000, despite her making it clear she would never appear for England again “under his [Sampson’s] management'

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/16/eni-aluko-fa-under-pressure-explain-money
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My comment was based on this from Glenn's written submission...
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RichardG said:
She's not done much of late so I'd say a recall on current form is unlikely. That said, she may well have been distracted. If she can get back to anything like her form of three years ago or so, she'd be a cert. How that would fit in with a team that embraced Mark Sampson so readily and openly in one of their most recent games is another matter...
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That will be the difficult one to overcome, the players all running over to Sampson and embracing him. I wonder what they feel about that now?
 
Tuckin said:
My comment was based on this from Glenn's written submission...
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What an utter shambles, they pay her for loss of earnings but also give her a contract meaning she has no loss of earnings, they are beyond incompetent.

Although asking for significantly more than she actually got and even asking for a tax exemption shows exactly what her motives were.
 
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RichardG said:
Whereas you on the other hand... Oh.

The judge may have said that Sampson is not a racist. But she also said Sampson had said things that were "discriminatory on the grounds of race". So he exhibited racist behaviour, in other words. That's more than simply having a poor sense of humour. You seem to sympathise more with Sampson than Aluko based on what you've said on here. I don't, though I take your point that the circumstances behind Sampson's sacking look all too convenient for the FA. We do agree, however, that the FA are an utter, utter shambles that will hopefully be overhauled in a meaningful way after the revelations of the past few days. Maybe let's leave it at that.
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Maybe let's not.

It was you who said you are not an expert, I've simply said that, perhaps, you are correct. Your childish response is correct, I am not an expert, nor have I claimed to be. I have managed teams in excess of 50 and also owned my own company and employed folk, so I do claim to have a decent knowledge, through thorough training, of how things are in matters such as this... Oh.

You totally miss my point which is stated elsewhere on this thread. I don't support racism, nor his humour. The Judge (barrister) took great pain to make the point that she does not believe he is racist. That's it. If his humour was construed as racist then it must have been because his humour was poor, as as a non-racist it could not possibly have been deliberately racist - could it? Perhaps it was a genuine unthinking mistake that should have been handled outside of the realms of racism.

I do not admire Sampson's style (successful bugger, though), nor do I admire the actions of Aluko, who is far more intelligent than Sampson.

I think there is a case for unfair dismissal on the grounds of constructed cause (not a technical term) and I believe it should be prosecuted. I feel strongly about this as it is the FA at it's very worse and should be the last straw before something serious happens. But somehow...
 
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“I commend the two England players [Eni Aluko and Drew Spence] for standing up for their principles when it would have been easier to sweep it under the carpet and not face the public scrutiny and inevitable questioning of their characters that they have been exposed to. They are braver individuals than me and that is how society moves forward – when courageous individuals question the status quo and its hierarchy.”

Liam Rosenior
 
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Fez said:
Why would they feel anything different - I would guess they know far more of the truth than you and I.
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I am sure that is true, that they knew what was going one. However that to me indicates that there as some fundamentally wrong with his management style, that players had to effectively suck up to the manager, in order not to fall out of favour. That indicated to me that he ruled to a certain degree by fear.

My point was that in them doing that, now makes it more difficult for Aluko to be integrated back into the group.
 
SpaceMan Tiger said:
I saw a photo of that, there were a few that hung back like Ellen White and Rafferty? (forgot the name) so maybe it wasn't that unanimous
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Certainly wasn't unanimous as you say, but those that did it, Aluko will find it hard to bond with again. I think if I was Aluko, I would respectfully decline her reintroduction if in fact she is offered a way back.
 
John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
I am sure that is true, that they knew what was going one. However that to me indicates that there as some fundamentally wrong with his management style, that players had to effectively suck up to the manager, in order not to fall out of favour. That indicated to me that he ruled to a certain degree by fear.

My point was that in them doing that, now makes it more difficult for Aluko to be integrated back into the group.
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Are we still talking about a football manager and his players? For as long as I can remember a manager's success has been measured by just such a display of popularity and loyalty (among other things). Why is this reaction different to any for Slutsky, Brown, Silva, Bruce - such things have been used, on here and elsewhere, as a barometer of team spirit for all time. Two set back (in a photo snapshot) is being used as proof of discord, you talking of sucking up and fear - really? Sounds like the same evidence based accusations as used by the Witchfinder General; or the Ched Atkins hang him high lynch mob.
 
John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
Certainly wasn't unanimous as you say, but those that did it, Aluko will find it hard to bond with again. I think if I was Aluko, I would respectfully decline her reintroduction if in fact she is offered a way back.
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It will be interesting to see if she does decline an invitation back. Thinking back through the timeline and significant events I have always felt inclusion to the team was paramount in her thinking. Has she not accepted a new contract? There is just about always some element of discord in dressing rooms - too many competing egos for there not to be - why would she decline? Of course, she could always use her argument to ensure that others less eleloquent suck up to a stronger personality...

I agree with the excellent sentiment within the Liam Rosenior piece, but I need time to check some of my concerns regarding the actions and outcomes around this whole debacle, to make sure it is appropriate to Aluko. I have a real sense that a daft lad has been hung out to dry.
 
Fez said:
You totally miss my point which is stated elsewhere on this thread. I don't support racism, nor his humour. The Judge (barrister) took great pain to make the point that she does not believe he is racist. That's it. If his humour was construed as racist then it must have been because his humour was poor, as as a non-racist it could not possibly have been deliberately racist - could it? Perhaps it was a genuine unthinking mistake that should have been handled outside of the realms of racism
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^^^ This is absolutely spot on and its something no one seems to grasp.

If you are not racist then whatever you say is by definition not racist despite how that may be construed by another person.

Aluko knows its not racist, no one who's genuinely upset by racism is bothered about a tax-exemption in their financial settlement.
 
originallambrettaman said:
The PFA negotiated the settlement with the FA, you seriously think Eni Aluko personally demanded a tax exempt settlement?
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You seriously think the PFA went it negotiations without consulting her? Of course they discussed all possible compensation options with her. She may not have demanded it but she certainly will have been aware of it and approved it, otherwise it wouldn't have even been on the table.
 
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