If your management style is one of chilled out entertainer, then what do people expect?
Mark Sampson done one.
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If your management style is one of chilled out entertainer, then what do people expect?
I think you're right; you're not an expert on these matters.
There are too many conflicts in this sorry mess. The Judge went to very deliberate lengths to emphasise that Sampson is not a racist.
So what has he been dismissed for:
A. His behaviour in a previous job?
B. His poor sense of humour on two seperate occasions in his role as England Manager?
C. He is relatively young, a bit naive (a hand on the shoulder from someone higher and wiser) and, perhaps, trusting in the dressing room dynamics?
I personally hope he takes them to the cleaners. Eni would not bear closer scrutiny.
It can only be guessed, no details of what he did at Bristol have been made public.
Aye, sorry, I understand that. The point is he undertook corrective training and marched on. He was then selected for a massively more senior role and no (or few) quibbles about his suitability. Then he makes two 'could be construed as racist' light hearted, in the moment quips, someone (someone legally trained and not in the team) dwells on it and decides to be PC and decisive. The FA haven't got the balls to challenge it correctly. The Judge can only find in the letter of the law - but that last phrase - Mark Sampson is not racist - goes some way to keep alive any belief that the spirit of the law saw it slightly differently.
Of course it can; it is madness to believe her actions and interviews had no bearing.
A good employment lawyer will not accept that whole Aluko furore had no part to play in why the FA decided to take a retrospective look at his Bristol history and come up with belated reasons why they should not have employed him. I am amazed you believe he could further damage his career by proceeding with an unfair dismissal claim.
<this>, however he seems such an arrogant individual , it wouldn't surprise me if he did.
What instigated all this, was the FA I believe asked Aluko to quietly do a report about racism in the game. She reported back about the experience she had had amongst other things, which has now come out as being true. 2 weeks after she gave the report to the FA Sampson dropped her from the squad, he said it was not connected, she said it must have been, as it was too much of a coincidence but did the FA divulge that information to Sampson, if so then it is likely that he did drop her because of it?
The FA have a lot to answer on this, they are a shambles, and heads have to roll.
The FA have a lot to answer on this, they are a shambles, and heads have to roll.
He's 35 that's not a kid. In fact many people are teaching their own kids it's not acceptable to make racist jokes by that age......
I'm not being holier than thou but he's shown poor judgement both at England and at Bristol (apparently - as I don't know what he did).
If Southgate made a couple of Ebola jokes to a black player how long would be last?
The fact that the FA are a basket case is true also and from what I heard of the reports of what they said yesterday they really need a shake up.
I find it incredible, that people managing an England team, thought it would be funny (and acceptable) to speak to black players in a fake Jamaican accent.
They've behaved like idiots and I've no issue with them getting the elbow as a consequence.
The FA have made a complete mess of the whole thing and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with Greg Clarke walking as well.
I haven't said he is a kid. He is certainly a young man and was even younger at the time of the errors of judgement for which he had been sacked from his last job.
It's good that you are coming to judgements on the strength of zero knowledge of the evidence...
Some of us have, for many years now, been saying the FA are a broken institution.
If you think I am defending racism then you are wrong. What I am disgusted with is the manipulation of circumstances to create an employment issue that simply didn't exist.
I also find it incredible, although I understand, from the flimsy detail available, that Sampson did not use the accent humour.
Did they get the elbow for that humour, or was it the Bristol incident, that was looked at, corrective training given and then closed and moved on from?
I agree about the FA and Clarke, having said it for quite some time. I disagree with a clumsy and inept manager being made a public scapegoat for them. If this had of been judged, and action taken, on the basis of the Aluko accusations in his England role, then my position might of been different - but I would have wanted to see more evidence, as I have watched the player from America being interviewed on Breakfast and it was unconvincing bollocks.
35 is not even close to being a young man! Think about the things you'd done in your life by 35.
I'm making my judgement on what is out there about his time as the England manager of which quite a bit is public.
Making racist jokes to a work colleague, especially one that you manage isn't acceptable.
The fact that the FA may be a broken institution doesn't make what he did any less wrong does it?
Sampson didn't do the accent, he told Aluko that if her family were coming to watch her at Wembley, they better not have Ebola.
He's a prick.
Obviously it wasn't what he was sacked for, but no doubt he'd become a liability and they took advantage of a previous indiscretion to get rid.
How long do you think Southgate would have lasted if he'd said it to Sterling?
The only thing Southgate should say to Sterling is " youre dropped "
True.