Leeds United vs Hull City match thread

[originallambrettaman]

Yeah but you could say the same about a lot of teams, going back to Leicester (hopefully none of their fans see this or we'll get branded as obsessed again) if we swapped Adebola for Waghorn, Mclean for Gallagher, Harper for King and Devitt for Wellens then it'd be the same story and that's without mentioning players Leicester have bought this summer (though that's because they're all **** )

Fair comment, I'd take those swaps too.

 

[Erik]

It is true that these sort of debates rarely go anywhere.

What I would say though, is if we could swap Adebola for Becchio, Gradel for Mclean, Howson for Harper and Snodgrass for Devitt, we'd probably have the best squad in the league.

Snodgrass, Howson, Gradel and Becchio would all get into your team. I'd take every Hull defender over ours though.

Maybe the two clubs should merge. There's an idea.

 

[eastyorkshirewhite]

My mate who I'm going with suggested Geldered Road if that's any better/worse?

That area now has some restrictions try top of beeston hill if you dont mind a walk

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

I can't post why, but I believe he'll be on his way shortly and it's not because he bought Hull FC.

Well IF BIG IF he does then its a strange one. Flies in the face of everything that Adam P has been saying.
Will watch this with interest to see if it happens. The only other reason would be that he has fallen out with the Allams and from what i saw at Ipswich that does not appear to be the case. They appear very happy to be in bed together. (not the sleeping bed may i add, just a turn of phrase)

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Absolute garbage. To suggest the past means nowt is ridiculous. History is part of what football is about, always has been and always will be. It makes me laugh that fans of clubs who don't have any history to write home about always disregard it. Smells of jealousy to me.............

GARBAGE. But your reply is just typical of a Leeds fan who only has there history to look at as the Future looks bleak to say the least ? Will you be protesting again tonight by chance ? You need to think more before you reply. But to give you a clue as to what i refer let me say this. If Grayson and Leeds are pointless at the end of August then a large amount of your support will be baying for blood. Bates and Grayson no doubt. Last season is now history and the 7th place finish would mean nothing at all to the protesters. As i said Football these days is only in the Now.
Win this week you are world beaters and lose the next you are rubbish. History i am afraid has no place in the modern game. Blame the media and instant glory brigaide if you want.

Anyway must go as i have a match to get to tonight. Toodle pip for now. Hull City to in 2 - 0.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Debatable, I wouldn't say so but we'll see. I agree that our history doesn't affect how we will perform but that's not what was being said, he said we aren't a big club because history means nothing, which is ridiculous because 1. It means quite a lot, and 2. We would be a big club anyway.

OLM has got it spot on. Leeds were a big club. WERE. No longer and just an average if that club now. Your history did not stop Leeds sinking into league one nor getting back up did it. Your Revie glory days are long long gone. Get used to it as they wont be back.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Point of order but TWS we're playing tonight have very little history.

Ken Bates scrapped the team that used to exist. To enable a club called Leeds to remain in the league, the authorities gave the golden share to the new club that Bates created.

Current TWS are just a franchise.

HARSH BUT VERY TRUE. GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHTN THIS MATTER UP. EXPECT THE BITTERS TO BE HERE SOON. LOL.

Ok gotta go now. Elland Road here i come.

 

[Pull Your Fox Up]

Yeah but you could say the same about a lot of teams, going back to Leicester (hopefully none of their fans see this or we'll get branded as obsessed again) if we swapped Adebola for Waghorn, Mclean for Gallagher, Harper for King and Devitt for Wellens then it'd be the same story and that's without mentioning players Leicester have bought this summer (though that's because they're all **** )

Obsessed much.....haha. Im loving the hyperthetical debate here!

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

We have plenty of history, Hull City have existed for 15 years longer than Leeds United, it's fair to say it's not been a very illustrious history, but it means as much to us as yours does to you.

I think the point being made was that history doesn't affect the here and now, the fact that you played in Champions League will do nothing to aid your performance on the pitch this evening and though you have self evidently been far more successful than us in the past, we have the better team going into this evening and we're allowed to be a bit pleased about that fact.

Depends if you take Leeds City into account or not, apart from the changed name we are to all intents and purposes the same club.

Point of order but TWS we're playing tonight have very little history.

Ken Bates scrapped the team that used to exist. To enable a club called Leeds to remain in the league, the authorities gave the golden share to the new club that Bates created.

Current TWS are just a franchise.

Not this bollocks again. Same football club, but controlled under a different name.

I'm not suggesting you won't have a competitive team, but the 4 players you're missing scored 50 odd goals last season between them. Regardless of you having cover or whether or not they normally start on the bench, you're undoubtedly weakened without them. Whereas the only player we're missing is Stewart who we've had out for months and we've brought in cover over the summer, also despite being an attacking threat he's actually yet to score for us.

It's not going to be an easy game by any stretch, in fact despite expecting the win going into the game, i wouldn't be too disapointed with a point (depending on the performance). But as Elland_Heaven said, there isn't a much better time to play you lot than right now, unless Grayson gets them rallied and it could be the worst time to play you. Though without your captian and other key players, that's unlikely.

There are many Leeds fans (including me) who would say that given the opportunity Sam and Nunez are capable of doing just as good a job as Gradel and Howson. As I said, Sam kept Gradel out of the team before he picked up quite a bad injury.

Out of the current squads I am really struggling to think of a TWS player I would have over a City player.

Certainly nobody in defence.

Howson is Koren lite.

Gradel might get in there but only when Cam Stewart is out.

Snodgrass could be good for us but only when Brady goes back to United as I think he will get better and better this season with confidence.

Brown and McKenna probably doing the same job to the same standard.

Becchio when fit I would have over Adebola, but McCormack or Keogh over Fryatt? no way.

Sorry but on a player for player level they match us in maybe one or two places but overall we have much the better players.

It's all subjective but I would point out that McCormack has a better scoring record at this level than Fryatt, McCormack has scored an average of 1 goal every 3 games in this league, Fryatt 1 in 4.

OLM has got it spot on. Leeds were a big club. WERE. No longer and just an average if that club now. Your history did not stop Leeds sinking into league one nor getting back up did it. Your Revie glory days are long long gone. Get used to it as they wont be back.

Don't talk ****. 7th biggest overall following of an English club and 13th highest attendances, despite top 4 level prices, is much better than "average" even if you ignore history, which you can't. Our history isn't going to win us anything, but history is part of what determines a club's size.

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

As posted in a previous thread I feel sorry for Leeds supporters who have delusions that they are, or have ever been a big successful club.
Apart from a short spell in the late 60s early 70s they have infact won next to **** all.

Div 1 winners - 69, 74, 92
Fa Cup - 72
League Cup - 68
UEFA Cup - 68, 71

Thats 7 major trophies. This doesn't make you a big club. It does though make you deluded.

To put it in perspective purposly omitting the two real big clubs

Arsenal - 26 major trophies
Villa - 21
Everton - 17
Spurs - 17
Chelsea - 16
Newcastle - 11
Sheff Weds - 8
Wolves - 9
Sunderland - 8
Blackburn - 10
Man City - 10

Champions of Europe? **** me you're not even Champions of Yorkshire

Before you reply with the obvious "We've won more than Hull City ever have"

I know, but "No silverware, I don't care I follow Hull City everywhere"

Deluded

I like how you included clubs that one half/all their trophies before we even existed .

 

[St-Louis Tiger]

Obsessed much.....haha. Im loving the hyperthetical debate here!

Dammit!! haha

Nah it's not much of a debate, i was trying to point out that it isn't worthwhile debating who out of yours and another team's squad you'd take, because we'd all take every team's better players over our worse ones and we'd all back our better players over all other teams'.

As proven by the pages and pages of Hull and Leicester fans arguing over this and getting nowhere.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Depends if you take Leeds City into account or not, apart from the changed name we are to all intents and purposes the same club.

Indeed, Leeds City started in 1904, at the same as Hull City, though if you're having Leeds City, I'm having our former incarnation of Hull Town, which started in 1879, so we're now a much older club.

We had a very nice shirt back then too, a proper itchy wool number:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/since1904/5588464858/in/photostream

 

[St-Louis Tiger]

I'm not suggesting you won't have a competitive team, but the 4 players you're missing scored 50 odd goals last season between them. Regardless of you having cover or whether or not they normally start on the bench, you're undoubtedly weakened without them. Whereas the only player we're missing is Stewart who we've had out for months and we've brought in cover over the summer, also despite being an attacking threat he's actually yet to score for us.

It's not going to be an easy game by any stretch, in fact despite expecting the win going into the game, i wouldn't be too disapointed with a point (depending on the performance). But as Elland_Heaven said, there isn't a much better time to play you lot than right now, unless Grayson gets them rallied and it could be the worst time to play you. Though without your captian and other key players, that's unlikely.

There are many Leeds fans (including me) who would say that given the opportunity Sam and Nunez are capable of doing just as good a job as Gradel and Howson. As I said, Sam kept Gradel out of the team before he picked up quite a bad injury.

If Sam was as good as Gradel he'd have gone back in the team when he returned from injury.
It's all well and good saying that Nunez and Sam are capable of doing what Howson and Gradel do but if i go and ask 100 Leeds fans which 2 they'd rather see play tonight, i bet nearly all of them say Howson & Gradel. Which would prove my point, since what i said was "you're undoubtedly weakened without them" referring to all 4 of your absentees tonight.

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

If Sam was as good as Gradel he'd have gone back in the team when he returned from injury.
It's all well and good saying that Nunez and Sam are capable of doing what Howson and Gradel do but if i go and ask 100 Leeds fans which 2 they'd rather see play tonight, i bet nearly all of them say Howson & Gradel. Which would prove my point, since what i said was "you're undoubtedly weakened without them" referring to all 4 of your absentees tonight.

But by the same token Gradel then kept Sam out of the team with his performances. While I would rather have Gradel and Howson, Sam and Nunez aren't really much of a step down.

 

[Kempton]

As posted in a previous thread I feel sorry for Leeds supporters who have delusions that they are, or have ever been a big successful club.
Apart from a short spell in the late 60s early 70s they have infact won next to **** all.

Div 1 winners - 69, 74, 92
Fa Cup - 72
League Cup - 68
UEFA Cup - 68, 71

Thats 7 major trophies. This doesn't make you a big club. It does though make you deluded.

To put it in perspective purposly omitting the two real big clubs

Arsenal - 26 major trophies
Villa - 21
Everton - 17
Spurs - 17
Chelsea - 16
Newcastle - 11
Sheff Weds - 8
Wolves - 9
Sunderland - 8
Blackburn - 10
Man City - 10

Champions of Europe? **** me you're not even Champions of Yorkshire

Before you reply with the obvious "We've won more than Hull City ever have"

I know, but "No silverware, I don't care I follow Hull City everywhere"

Deluded

This^^^

 

[St-Louis Tiger]

But by the same token Gradel then kept Sam out of the team with his performances. While I would rather have Gradel and Howson, Sam and Nunez aren't really much of a step down.

I'll take your word for it, though can i reiterate all i said was that you're weakened without them... which you've just implied you agree with...

Anyway, 0-3 for me.

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

Indeed, Leeds City started in 1904, at the same as Hull City, though if you're having Leeds City, I'm having our former incarnation of Hull Town, which started in 1879, so we're now a much older club.

We had a very nice shirt back then too, a proper itchy wool number:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/since1904/5588464858/in/photostream

The Leeds City kit was essentially carried on with our away kits, although for some reason we went with green for one season. Looked Leeds City up on wiki and found this about the new ameteur team : "In 2011, Leeds City FC played a friendly against Langho FC at The Rhyddings, home of Langho FC. They were on the receiving end of unquestionably one of the greatest hatricks ever scored in football history. Jimmy Tyldesley found new lease of life in a free role handed to him cutting in from the left on many occasions. His first goal was a 25 yard curling shot that found the top corner and left the keeper looking very very silly. His second was a from a similar distance, having picked up the ball 25 yards out he proceeded to drive the ball goalwards into the top corner. The third came in the second half after a swift Langho counter attack, Tyldesley burst through the defence like a blooming summer rose and found himself one on one with the keeper, giving him 'the eyes' he dinked the ball over the keepers head. Think Messi. But better."

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

I'll take your word for it, though can i reiterate all i said was that you're weakened without them... which you've just implied you agree with...

Anyway, 0-3 for me.

We are weakened, but not to the ridiculous degree some of you seem to think.

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

And you are not a big club to the ridiculous degree some of you seem to think

You're hardly impartial though, are you. We're bigger than at the very very least 4 of the clubs you posted.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Time to make tracks, brace yourself Leeds, I'm on my way.........